You are wrong. See below.

<null@zilch.com> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 12 Jul 2003 19:21:17 -0400, "mto" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
> >
> ><null@zilch.com> wrote in message
> >news:ajqvgv0hg4veu05927q244jsoqr3l9arge@4ax.com.. .
> >> On Sat, 12 Jul 2003 00:42:34 GMT, "YK" <YKnot@home.invalid> wrote:
> >>
> >> >People that recommend dumping IE and OE do not have the smarts to
clamp
> >down
> >> >on security.
> >>
> >> LOL! People who still use and endlessly fix and patch and screw around
> >> because of IE and OE don't have a clue
> >>
> >> Art
> >> http://www.epix.net/~artnpeg
> >
> >Well I don't endlessly fix, patch, and screw around and I DO have a clue,
>
> That statement is inconsistent with what you say later

Nope - the MACHINE might be being scanned at 3 am, but it took me less than
60 seconds to set it up to take care of itself.

> >having for many years run a very large and very busy website that
delivered
> >a minimum of 50 copies of whatever the latest viruses may be and several
> >hundred spams a day to my inbox. I DO use XP, IE and OE because that is
> >what 90% of my visitors use and it is convenient to be able to explain
where
> >problems they are having might lie - and I have NEVER even once gotten a
> >virus, a trojan, a worm and have successfully avoided nearly all spyware.
> >And when I drop by every now and then over at Steve Gibson's to get my
> >security checked, guess what? My computer simply doesn't exist
>
> So you've bought into the stealth myth. Stealthing most definitely
> does not mean your PC doesn't exist. The lack of a normal ping
> response simply indicates to a hacker that you're using a firewall.
> But whether or not that makes it any more difficult for him is
> questionable Adding software firewalls adds complexity and more
> potential vulnerabilities.
>
> >Get rid of McAffee/Norton/etc. and install PcCillin - www. antivirus.com,
> >which is based on both definitions of known viruses and heuristic (the
> >others are definitions only) - as in if it looks like a duck and walks
like
> >a duck and quacks like a duck it is a duck.
>
> Guess what? The hated McAfee has been proven at Uni Hamburg to have
> the best heuristic scan engine of them all! Trend's products aren't
> bad but they're not top notch. The KAV and McAfee scan engines are the
> best.

McAfee has the single most horrible tech support available - has done for
years. PcCillin's is top notch - you can even call them on the phone and
talk to a live person

Further, I can recall countless times over the years that I've had notices
from multiple McAfee &/or Norton users about some new virus they have been
infected with and likely passed along to me. Never once got one of those
from a PcCillin user. And never once gotten one of those nasties. Remember
I DID state that I get 50+ a DAY, EVERY DAY - and have for years now.

> >That way you have some prayer
> >of stopping a viral invasion if you happen to get something brand new in
> >your email for which no one has yet come up with a definition. Set it to
> >automatically update itself every 3 hours and to do a complete scan every
> >night in the middle of the night.
>
> That proves it! You do screw around! I hardly ever bother with virus
> scanning any more. It's proven to be a waste of time since I never get
> infected. I never use realtime scanners since I've tested many of them
> and I don't put any faith in them to "protect" me.

Repeat - I do not screw around. It is a simple matter of clicking a button
to set up the program to perform the scan while I am sound asleep.

How do you "test" a realtime scan? Send yourself a virus or two? Wouldn't
be without mine - but then a new virus within usually arrives in my inbox
the first 12 hours it is released.

If YOU never get infected that must be because you are LUCKY - since
obviously you really don't give a f*** and are not careful. I can only
surmise that you haven't many friends and acquaintances online, thus are not
in any address books and therefore the latest scourge never reaches you.

> >Get ZoneAlarm - spring for the PRO version.
>
> More screwing around. No need for a firewall either if you know what
> you're doing.

HMMM - haven't visited many websites lately have you?

> >Get the free version of AdAware and Spybot Search and Destroy. Set them
> >both to run every time you reboot.
>
> Nah. Only run them after installing new software.

You TRULY have absolutely NO comprehension of the spyware problem, do you?
Or have you not noted that a 15 minute to MSNBC - or a short trip to
Google - or even a glance at Yahoo will install at least one spyware program
on your machine without so much as a whisper to inform you? SpyBot S&D
will, however, catch the thing and abort the download/installation for you.
AdAware very nicely removes all those little gif-bots. And remember - I run
a large website and spend lots of time reading server logs. You might
dismiss privacy concerns, but I know EXACTLY what can be collected about a
visitor without you ever knowing and without me even trying to collect it.

> >Set your security everywhere to high.
> >
> >Make sure that you have NO trusted sites - including Microsoft, since
more
> >than once things have come rolling around claiming to be from Microsoft
that
> >weren't.
> >
> >Turn off Active X. (You can leave signed Active X at prompt if you want.)
> >Turn off Java. Severely limit the sites that you allow Javascripts to
run
> >on. Turn off iFrame. You'll miss a little bit - at MSNBC you'll have to
> >click to get the page rather than get that nice pop-out menu. Oh well.
>
> Nah. With Moz based browsers you can leave both scripting and Java
> Script enabled with very little concern ... and quit the goddam
> screwing around
>
>
> Art
> http://www.epix.net/~artnpeg

Javascript works the same in Netscape as it does in IE - or any other
browser. A Javascript that initiates a download in IE will in general
initiate the same exact download in Netscape. A Javascript that grabs your
personal data from a form and forwards it elsewhere in the clear works
exactly the same in Netscape - or any other browser - as it does in IE.
Learn a little web design and scripting. And if you had ever read a server
log you would know that IE is listed as a Mozilla browser too.

You are an idiot.