Re: new laptop with XP Pro / how to protect?

[Lance Delacroix]

On Wed, 02 Jul 2003 05:46:50 +0200, karin <fritz@rodent.frell.eu.org>
prounounced a fatwah thus:

>I've just purchased a Tosh 6100 with XP Pro on it and am wondering if I
>need to install Win2k as I have on my other machine that also has Kerio
>(with sponge's highest protection), Proximitron, AdAdware, and Spybot along
>with TDS-3 for trojans.
>
>Will installing that software give me similar protection with XP Pro (P4
>processor) or is this the "resistance is futile" scenerio with XP?
>
>I don't want M$ accessing my machine and doing things I cannot control.

The jury is still out on XPpro. In addition to what you're already
doing, I'd suggest not using IE, OE, WMP, any of the messaging
options, updating, or any other M$ bull****.

Do *NOT* use the Kerio default configuration file; it allows XP to do
too much on its own. Use one of Sponge's files, and make sure you
have all the M$ IP blocks checked.

Disable all services that you don't actually need. See Black Viper's
XP services page http://blackviper.com/WinXP/servicecfg.htm .

Get XP AntiSpy (Google it up) and go through its list. Disable
everything that you don't *know* you're going to need.

Uninstall any apps or components that you won't need. You can even
uninstall IE, but you'll have to search for the program that does it
unless somebody else reading this has the URL.

I have not installed any of the service packs, updates, fixes,
patches, or any other oh-sorry **** because I don't believe that M$ is
really going to get it right, and I don't want to expose myself to
whatever sneaky tricks they want to pull while I'm "upgrading". My
intent is to strip the OS down to its bare bones and use my own apps
rather than the M$ bells and whistles.

Use extreme firewall discipline; i.e., when you get an alert saying
that XP wants to do something and you don't know what it is, don't do
it! In fact, you can just turn off the alerts and forge ahead. Do
keep a log, though.

Run SpyBot, AdAware, and HijackThis frequently.

The reason I'm using XP is because I can't get drivers for some of my
hardware (laptop) for any other OS.

[shplink]

On Thu, 03 Jul 2003 00:19:23 +0300, Lance Delacroix
<lance_delacroix@fastmail.fm> wrote:

>On Wed, 02 Jul 2003 19:39:01 GMT, "YK" <YKnot@home.invalid>
>prounounced a fatwah thus:
>
>>Lance Delacroix wrote:
>>> On Wed, 02 Jul 2003 05:46:50 +0200, karin prounounced a fatwah thus:
>>
>>One entry found for fatwa.
>>
>>Main Entry: fat·wa
>>Pronunciation: 'f&t-w&
>
>I'm transliterating from Arabic. Sounds like -ah to me.

True.. if it's a foreign word, the correct spelling would be ulimately
composed of foreigh characters.
You say 'So-cra-tes, I say So-'kra-tes...


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[Lance Delacroix]

On Wed, 02 Jul 2003 19:39:01 GMT, "YK" <YKnot@home.invalid>
prounounced a fatwah thus:

>Lance Delacroix wrote:
>> On Wed, 02 Jul 2003 05:46:50 +0200, karin prounounced a fatwah thus:
>
>One entry found for fatwa.
>
>Main Entry: fat·wa
>Pronunciation: 'f&t-w&

I'm transliterating from Arabic. Sounds like -ah to me.

>Function: noun
>Etymology: Arabic fatwA
>Date: 1947
>: a legal opinion or decree handed down by an Islamic religious leader
>
>Please adjust your Forte Agent (the simple newsreader for simple people) to
>correct the spelling.
>
>>> I've just purchased a Tosh 6100 with XP Pro on it and am wondering
>>> if I need to install Win2k as I have on my other machine that also
>>> has Kerio (with sponge's highest protection), Proximitron, AdAdware,
>>> and Spybot along with TDS-3 for trojans.
>>>
>>> Will installing that software give me similar protection with XP Pro
>>> (P4 processor) or is this the "resistance is futile" scenerio with XP?
>>>
>>> I don't want M$ accessing my machine and doing things I cannot
>>> control.
>>
>> The jury is still out on XPpro. In addition to what you're already
>> doing, I'd suggest not using IE, OE, WMP, any of the messaging
>> options, updating, or any other M$ bull****.
>>
>> Do *NOT* use the Kerio default configuration file; it allows XP to do
>> too much on its own. Use one of Sponge's files, and make sure you
>> have all the M$ IP blocks checked.
>>
>> Disable all services that you don't actually need. See Black Viper's
>> XP services page http://blackviper.com/WinXP/servicecfg.htm .
>
>It's dead Jim!
>http://www.beemerworld.com/tips/servicesxp.htm
>
>> Get XP AntiSpy (Google it up) and go through its list. Disable
>> everything that you don't *know* you're going to need.
>
>I would not trust any site that advertises Alexa!
>Add to HOSTS file.
>127.0.0.1 ads.webattack.com
>127.0.0.1 images.webattack.com
>
>XP AntiSpy does serious damage with the settings you want. It sets the
>settings it wants if you want it or not.
>
>> Uninstall any apps or components that you won't need. You can even
>> uninstall IE, but you'll have to search for the program that does it
>> unless somebody else reading this has the URL.
>
>Kinda hard on WinXP!
>
>> I have not installed any of the service packs, updates, fixes,
>> patches, or any other oh-sorry **** because I don't believe that M$ is
>> really going to get it right, and I don't want to expose myself to
>> whatever sneaky tricks they want to pull while I'm "upgrading". My
>> intent is to strip the OS down to its bare bones and use my own apps
>> rather than the M$ bells and whistles.
>
>MAC OSX and Linux is over that way ===>
>
>> Use extreme firewall discipline; i.e., when you get an alert saying
>> that XP wants to do something and you don't know what it is, don't do
>> it! In fact, you can just turn off the alerts and forge ahead. Do
>> keep a log, though.
>
>Agreed!
>
>> Run SpyBot, AdAware, and HijackThis frequently.
>
>Agreed! As long as you update them frequently.
>
>> The reason I'm using XP is because I can't get drivers for some of my
>> hardware (laptop) for any other OS.
>
>So are you are saying Linux sucks?

Not at all. I'm still working on getting all my hardware working.
Just installed Mandrake 9.1 on both my computers today, and it looks
promising.

[Jay T. Blocksom]

On Wed, 02 Jul 2003 09:41:26 +0300, in <alt.privacy.spyware>, Lance
Delacroix <lance_delacroix@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>
[snip]
>
> The jury is still out on XPpro.
[snip]

No, it isn't. Convicted on all counts, and sentenced to death.

> In addition to what you're already
> doing, I'd suggest not using IE, OE, WMP, any of the messaging
> options, updating, or any other M$ bull****.
>
[snip]

Essentially impossible, as long as you leave the XP Trojan in place.

> Uninstall any apps or components that you won't need. You can even
> uninstall IE, but you'll have to search for the program that does it
> unless somebody else reading this has the URL.
>
[snip]

<http://www.litepc.com/ieradicator.html>

However, unless you get rid of XP entirely _first_, this is so much
"closing the barn door after the horse has run off" self-delusion. You will
NOT be making yourself appreciably safer or more abuse-resistant. XP has
too many _other_ deliberately planted back doors.

Also, if you're running Win2K-SP2 or Win2K-SP3, you'll need to permanently
disable "Windows File Protection" before running it, or the zombie will
reincarnate itself. Google the web for the details and how-to.

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[Jay T. Blocksom]

On Thu, 03 Jul 2003 00:19:23 +0300, in <alt.privacy.spyware>, Lance
Delacroix <lance_delacroix@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>
> On Wed, 02 Jul 2003 19:39:01 GMT, "YK" <YKnot@home.invalid>
> prounounced a fatwah thus:
>
> >Lance Delacroix wrote:
> >> On Wed, 02 Jul 2003 05:46:50 +0200, karin prounounced a fatwah thus:
> >
> >One entry found for fatwa.
> >
> >Main Entry: fat·wa
> >Pronunciation: 'f&t-w&
>
> I'm transliterating from Arabic. Sounds like -ah to me.
>
> >Function: noun
> >Etymology: Arabic fatwA
> >Date: 1947
> >: a legal opinion or decree handed down by an Islamic religious leader
> >
> >Please adjust your Forte Agent (the simple newsreader for simple people)
> >to correct the spelling.
> >
[snip]

This from someone who posts using Outhouse Excuse.

Well, I already "adjusted" my copy of Agent to solve this problem:

Edit Usenet Filter
Filter Expression: Author: yknot@home.invalid
Kill Action: Mark Read
Scope: Global

Lance, I suggest you do the same.

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Jay T. Blocksom
--------------------------------
Appropriate Technology, Inc.
usenet01[at]appropriate-tech.net


"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
-- Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759.

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Unsolicited advertising sent to this E-Mail address is expressly prohibited
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[YK]

Jay T. Blocksom wrote:
> On Thu, 03 Jul 2003 00:19:23 +0300, in <alt.privacy.spyware>, Lance
> Delacroix <lance_delacroix@fastmail.fm> wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, 02 Jul 2003 19:39:01 GMT, "YK" <YKnot@home.invalid>
> > prounounced a fatwah thus:
> >
> > >Lance Delacroix wrote:
> > >> On Wed, 02 Jul 2003 05:46:50 +0200, karin prounounced a fatwah
> thus: > >
> > >One entry found for fatwa.
> > >
> > >Main Entry: fat·wa
> > >Pronunciation: 'f&t-w&
> >
> > I'm transliterating from Arabic. Sounds like -ah to me.
> >
> > >Function: noun
> > >Etymology: Arabic fatwA
> > >Date: 1947
> > >: a legal opinion or decree handed down by an Islamic religious
> leader > >
> > >Please adjust your Forte Agent (the simple newsreader for simple
> people) > >to correct the spelling.
> > >
> [snip]
>
> This from someone who posts using Outhouse Excuse.
>
> Well, I already "adjusted" my copy of Agent to solve this problem:
>
> Edit Usenet Filter
> Filter Expression: Author: yknot@home.invalid
> Kill Action: Mark Read
> Scope: Global
>
> Lance, I suggest you do the same.

Thanks the compliment but I will refute your posts.

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[Richard]

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