Can anyone recommend a good IP spoof app, NOT a service, software?

[DragonRider]

Spyware, etc., free.

Tx

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[sponge]

On Tue, 24 Jun 2003 21:42:19 -0400, DragonRider
<NoSpam@NoJunkAtAll.com> wrote:

>Spyware, etc., free.
>
>Tx
>

There is no such thing as an IP Spoofing program; if your IP is
obscured, it is not physically possible for you to take part in any
meaningful communication or activity on the Internet since there is no
way for data to return to you.

Sponge
Sponge's Anti-Spyware Source
www.geocities.com/yosponge

[Lance Delacroix]

On Sun, 29 Jun 2003 08:05:40 GMT, DragonRider <NoSpam@NoJunkAtAll.com>
prounounced a fatwah thus:

>On 29 Jun 2003 00:01:07 -0700, yosponge@yahoo.com (sponge) wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 24 Jun 2003 21:42:19 -0400, DragonRider
>><NoSpam@NoJunkAtAll.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Spyware, etc., free.
>>>
>>>Tx
>>>
>>
>>There is no such thing as an IP Spoofing program; if your IP is
>>obscured, it is not physically possible for you to take part in any
>>meaningful communication or activity on the Internet since there is no
>>way for data to return to you.
>
>Then what does an anonymizer do, which is what I was told an IP spoof
>was?

Anonymizers strip your IP out of your headers and re-send your message
from a new server with a new IP. This is done several times in
succession using different servers. But each of these servers, in
order to send your message on, must identify itself to the next server
using a valid IP.

>I finally did find one since I couldn't wait and all I got here was
>negative responses. On recommendation from a friend, was told me to
>google for one.
>
>I ran a test yesterday afternoon at ShieldsUp and I aced each
>category. ShieldsUp returned a "can't see your computer at all" and
>that I was in "stealth" mode all the way (which is what I have this
>set to).

You can do the same thing with a firewall. Grc.com knows it can't see
your computer precisely because it cannot send data to it, which is
what Sponge is saying: without a valid IP, no data comes in.

>So I have conflicting information here. It seems to me that
>this is a good thing not a bad thing.

It's a good thing as long as you don't mind not being able to receive
any packets, which means, in effect, not being able to send any TCP
packets. You can still send UDP, ICMP, and IGMP, but their uses are
limited.

[DragonRider]

On Sun, 29 Jun 2003 14:14:00 +0300, Lance Delacroix
<lance_delacroix@fastmail.fm> wrote:

>On Sun, 29 Jun 2003 08:05:40 GMT, DragonRider <NoSpam@NoJunkAtAll.com>
>prounounced a fatwah thus:
>
>>On 29 Jun 2003 00:01:07 -0700, yosponge@yahoo.com (sponge) wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 24 Jun 2003 21:42:19 -0400, DragonRider
>>><NoSpam@NoJunkAtAll.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Spyware, etc., free.
>>>>
>>>>Tx
>>>>
>>>
>>>There is no such thing as an IP Spoofing program; if your IP is
>>>obscured, it is not physically possible for you to take part in any
>>>meaningful communication or activity on the Internet since there is no
>>>way for data to return to you.
>>
>>Then what does an anonymizer do, which is what I was told an IP spoof
>>was?
>
>Anonymizers strip your IP out of your headers and re-send your message
>from a new server with a new IP. This is done several times in
>succession using different servers. But each of these servers, in
>order to send your message on, must identify itself to the next server
>using a valid IP.
>
>>I finally did find one since I couldn't wait and all I got here was
>>negative responses. On recommendation from a friend, was told me to
>>google for one.
>>
>>I ran a test yesterday afternoon at ShieldsUp and I aced each
>>category. ShieldsUp returned a "can't see your computer at all" and
>>that I was in "stealth" mode all the way (which is what I have this
>>set to).
>
>You can do the same thing with a firewall. Grc.com knows it can't see
>your computer precisely because it cannot send data to it, which is
>what Sponge is saying: without a valid IP, no data comes in.
>
>>So I have conflicting information here. It seems to me that
>>this is a good thing not a bad thing.
>
>It's a good thing as long as you don't mind not being able to receive
>any packets, which means, in effect, not being able to send any TCP
>packets. You can still send UDP, ICMP, and IGMP, but their uses are
>limited.

Thanks for the information.

What does the above mean, though, packets? I've been using this
stealther for a few days and haven't noticed anything different. I'm
dl, etc., so what am I missing?

TIA.

[Lance Delacroix]

On Sun, 29 Jun 2003 15:05:50 GMT, DragonRider <NoSpam@NoJunkAtAll.com>
prounounced a fatwah thus:

>On Sun, 29 Jun 2003 14:14:00 +0300, Lance Delacroix
><lance_delacroix@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 29 Jun 2003 08:05:40 GMT, DragonRider <NoSpam@NoJunkAtAll.com>
>>prounounced a fatwah thus:
>>
>>>On 29 Jun 2003 00:01:07 -0700, yosponge@yahoo.com (sponge) wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Tue, 24 Jun 2003 21:42:19 -0400, DragonRider
>>>><NoSpam@NoJunkAtAll.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Spyware, etc., free.
>>>>>
>>>>>Tx
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>There is no such thing as an IP Spoofing program; if your IP is
>>>>obscured, it is not physically possible for you to take part in any
>>>>meaningful communication or activity on the Internet since there is no
>>>>way for data to return to you.
>>>
>>>Then what does an anonymizer do, which is what I was told an IP spoof
>>>was?
>>
>>Anonymizers strip your IP out of your headers and re-send your message
>>from a new server with a new IP. This is done several times in
>>succession using different servers. But each of these servers, in
>>order to send your message on, must identify itself to the next server
>>using a valid IP.
>>
>>>I finally did find one since I couldn't wait and all I got here was
>>>negative responses. On recommendation from a friend, was told me to
>>>google for one.
>>>
>>>I ran a test yesterday afternoon at ShieldsUp and I aced each
>>>category. ShieldsUp returned a "can't see your computer at all" and
>>>that I was in "stealth" mode all the way (which is what I have this
>>>set to).
>>
>>You can do the same thing with a firewall. Grc.com knows it can't see
>>your computer precisely because it cannot send data to it, which is
>>what Sponge is saying: without a valid IP, no data comes in.
>>
>>>So I have conflicting information here. It seems to me that
>>>this is a good thing not a bad thing.
>>
>>It's a good thing as long as you don't mind not being able to receive
>>any packets, which means, in effect, not being able to send any TCP
>>packets. You can still send UDP, ICMP, and IGMP, but their uses are
>>limited.
>
>Thanks for the information.
>
>What does the above mean, though, packets? I've been using this
>stealther for a few days and haven't noticed anything different. I'm
>dl, etc., so what am I missing?

If you are downloading files, you are most certainly receiving (and
sending) data in neat little labeled bundles called packets. Each one
of those packets is marked with your IP address and a port number that
was negotiated in an exchange of info between your computer and the
sending computer. Without the sending computer (and all intermediate
computers) having your IP address, you simply cannot receive data.

What is this program that you think is "spoofing" your IP? It is not
doing what you think it's doing.

Topics to Google up:

packet switching
circuit switching
TCP/IP (Transmission Control Protocol / Internet Protocol)

>TIA.

[TomT]

DragonRider <NoSpam@NoJunkAtAll.com> wrote:
>
>But isn't that exactly what an IP spoof will do? protect you from
>snooping or from people knowing who you are when surfing? Seems to me
>we're after the same objective. But pls explain if I'm wrong.

Get a decent firewall and no one will know your IP is in use.

TomT

[DragonRider]

On Sun, 29 Jun 2003 20:15:00 +0300, Lance Delacroix
<lance_delacroix@fastmail.fm> wrote:

>On Sun, 29 Jun 2003 15:05:50 GMT, DragonRider <NoSpam@NoJunkAtAll.com>
>prounounced a fatwah thus:
>
>>On Sun, 29 Jun 2003 14:14:00 +0300, Lance Delacroix
>><lance_delacroix@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 29 Jun 2003 08:05:40 GMT, DragonRider <NoSpam@NoJunkAtAll.com>
>>>prounounced a fatwah thus:
>>>
>>>>On 29 Jun 2003 00:01:07 -0700, yosponge@yahoo.com (sponge) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Tue, 24 Jun 2003 21:42:19 -0400, DragonRider
>>>>><NoSpam@NoJunkAtAll.com> wrote:

>If you are downloading files, you are most certainly receiving (and
>sending) data in neat little labeled bundles called packets. Each one
>of those packets is marked with your IP address and a port number that
>was negotiated in an exchange of info between your computer and the
>sending computer. Without the sending computer (and all intermediate
>computers) having your IP address, you simply cannot receive data.
>
>What is this program that you think is "spoofing" your IP? It is not
>doing what you think it's doing.

Stealther v2.7

>Topics to Google up:
>
>packet switching
>circuit switching
>TCP/IP (Transmission Control Protocol / Internet Protocol)

[Lance Delacroix]

On Sun, 29 Jun 2003 22:22:15 GMT, DragonRider <NoSpam@NoJunkAtAll.com>
prounounced a fatwah thus:

>On Sun, 29 Jun 2003 20:15:00 +0300, Lance Delacroix
><lance_delacroix@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 29 Jun 2003 15:05:50 GMT, DragonRider <NoSpam@NoJunkAtAll.com>
>>prounounced a fatwah thus:
>>
>>>On Sun, 29 Jun 2003 14:14:00 +0300, Lance Delacroix
>>><lance_delacroix@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sun, 29 Jun 2003 08:05:40 GMT, DragonRider <NoSpam@NoJunkAtAll.com>
>>>>prounounced a fatwah thus:
>>>>
>>>>>On 29 Jun 2003 00:01:07 -0700, yosponge@yahoo.com (sponge) wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Tue, 24 Jun 2003 21:42:19 -0400, DragonRider
>>>>>><NoSpam@NoJunkAtAll.com> wrote:
>
>>If you are downloading files, you are most certainly receiving (and
>>sending) data in neat little labeled bundles called packets. Each one
>>of those packets is marked with your IP address and a port number that
>>was negotiated in an exchange of info between your computer and the
>>sending computer. Without the sending computer (and all intermediate
>>computers) having your IP address, you simply cannot receive data.
>>
>>What is this program that you think is "spoofing" your IP? It is not
>>doing what you think it's doing.
>
>Stealther v2.7

Okay, I get it. No ****ing way are you truly hidden. You are
relaying through proxy servers, so your IP is hidden from the server
that contains the web page you are viewing (and from all but the first
server in the relay chain). GRC.com can't find you because it
attempts to contact you *directly*, and it can't. Each proxy server
in the chain knows where the next one and the previous one are; they
relay data back to you just as they relay your requests out. This
setup makes you "anonymous" in the sense that you cannot be *easily*
and routinely traced. This does enhance your security to a certain
extent, no doubt about it, but there is a record of every interaction
between every pair of computers in the chain, and the trail leads back
to you. Don't send out any death threats. :-)) Also, if grc.com
can't find you, saying that you are "stealthed" (in the sense that
your ports are closed) is misleading.

>
>>Topics to Google up:
>>
>>packet switching
>>circuit switching
>>TCP/IP (Transmission Control Protocol / Internet Protocol)

[DragonRider]

On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 09:15:17 +0300, Lance Delacroix
<lance_delacroix@fastmail.fm> wrote:

>On Sun, 29 Jun 2003 22:22:15 GMT, DragonRider <NoSpam@NoJunkAtAll.com>
>prounounced a fatwah thus:
>
>>On Sun, 29 Jun 2003 20:15:00 +0300, Lance Delacroix
>><lance_delacroix@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 29 Jun 2003 15:05:50 GMT, DragonRider <NoSpam@NoJunkAtAll.com>
>>>prounounced a fatwah thus:
>>>
>>>>On Sun, 29 Jun 2003 14:14:00 +0300, Lance Delacroix
>>>><lance_delacroix@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Sun, 29 Jun 2003 08:05:40 GMT, DragonRider <NoSpam@NoJunkAtAll.com>
>>>>>prounounced a fatwah thus:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On 29 Jun 2003 00:01:07 -0700, yosponge@yahoo.com (sponge) wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Tue, 24 Jun 2003 21:42:19 -0400, DragonRider
>>>>>>><NoSpam@NoJunkAtAll.com> wrote:
>>
>>>If you are downloading files, you are most certainly receiving (and

[snip]

>>>What is this program that you think is "spoofing" your IP? It is not
>>>doing what you think it's doing.
>>
>>Stealther v2.7
>
>Okay, I get it. No ****ing way are you truly hidden. You are
>relaying through proxy servers, so your IP is hidden from the server
>that contains the web page you are viewing (and from all but the first
>server in the relay chain). GRC.com can't find you because it
>attempts to contact you *directly*, and it can't. Each proxy server
>in the chain knows where the next one and the previous one are; they
>relay data back to you just as they relay your requests out. This
>setup makes you "anonymous" in the sense that you cannot be *easily*
>and routinely traced. This does enhance your security to a certain
>extent, no doubt about it, but there is a record of every interaction
>between every pair of computers in the chain, and the trail leads back
>to you. Don't send out any death threats. :-)) Also, if grc.com
>can't find you, saying that you are "stealthed" (in the sense that
>your ports are closed) is misleading.

Hmmm, makes sense. A friend recommended this method as a way to not
let nasty webpages track me, but this isn't the solution (and I'll
tell him).

Well, but what can a person do? A firewall doesn't do this, just
stops people from, supposedly, get into your system.

Thanks for all the info. Much appreciated.