Can anyone recommend a good IP spoof app, NOT a service, software?

[DragonRider]

On Sun, 29 Jun 2003 20:15:00 +0300, Lance Delacroix
<lance_delacroix@fastmail.fm> wrote:

>On Sun, 29 Jun 2003 15:05:50 GMT, DragonRider <NoSpam@NoJunkAtAll.com>
>prounounced a fatwah thus:
>
>>On Sun, 29 Jun 2003 14:14:00 +0300, Lance Delacroix
>><lance_delacroix@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 29 Jun 2003 08:05:40 GMT, DragonRider <NoSpam@NoJunkAtAll.com>
>>>prounounced a fatwah thus:
>>>
>>>>On 29 Jun 2003 00:01:07 -0700, yosponge@yahoo.com (sponge) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Tue, 24 Jun 2003 21:42:19 -0400, DragonRider
>>>>><NoSpam@NoJunkAtAll.com> wrote:

>If you are downloading files, you are most certainly receiving (and
>sending) data in neat little labeled bundles called packets. Each one
>of those packets is marked with your IP address and a port number that
>was negotiated in an exchange of info between your computer and the
>sending computer. Without the sending computer (and all intermediate
>computers) having your IP address, you simply cannot receive data.
>
>What is this program that you think is "spoofing" your IP? It is not
>doing what you think it's doing.

Stealther v2.7

>Topics to Google up:
>
>packet switching
>circuit switching
>TCP/IP (Transmission Control Protocol / Internet Protocol)

[Lance Delacroix]

On Sun, 29 Jun 2003 22:22:15 GMT, DragonRider <NoSpam@NoJunkAtAll.com>
prounounced a fatwah thus:

>On Sun, 29 Jun 2003 20:15:00 +0300, Lance Delacroix
><lance_delacroix@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 29 Jun 2003 15:05:50 GMT, DragonRider <NoSpam@NoJunkAtAll.com>
>>prounounced a fatwah thus:
>>
>>>On Sun, 29 Jun 2003 14:14:00 +0300, Lance Delacroix
>>><lance_delacroix@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sun, 29 Jun 2003 08:05:40 GMT, DragonRider <NoSpam@NoJunkAtAll.com>
>>>>prounounced a fatwah thus:
>>>>
>>>>>On 29 Jun 2003 00:01:07 -0700, yosponge@yahoo.com (sponge) wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Tue, 24 Jun 2003 21:42:19 -0400, DragonRider
>>>>>><NoSpam@NoJunkAtAll.com> wrote:
>
>>If you are downloading files, you are most certainly receiving (and
>>sending) data in neat little labeled bundles called packets. Each one
>>of those packets is marked with your IP address and a port number that
>>was negotiated in an exchange of info between your computer and the
>>sending computer. Without the sending computer (and all intermediate
>>computers) having your IP address, you simply cannot receive data.
>>
>>What is this program that you think is "spoofing" your IP? It is not
>>doing what you think it's doing.
>
>Stealther v2.7

Okay, I get it. No ****ing way are you truly hidden. You are
relaying through proxy servers, so your IP is hidden from the server
that contains the web page you are viewing (and from all but the first
server in the relay chain). GRC.com can't find you because it
attempts to contact you *directly*, and it can't. Each proxy server
in the chain knows where the next one and the previous one are; they
relay data back to you just as they relay your requests out. This
setup makes you "anonymous" in the sense that you cannot be *easily*
and routinely traced. This does enhance your security to a certain
extent, no doubt about it, but there is a record of every interaction
between every pair of computers in the chain, and the trail leads back
to you. Don't send out any death threats. :-)) Also, if grc.com
can't find you, saying that you are "stealthed" (in the sense that
your ports are closed) is misleading.

>
>>Topics to Google up:
>>
>>packet switching
>>circuit switching
>>TCP/IP (Transmission Control Protocol / Internet Protocol)

[DragonRider]

On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 09:15:17 +0300, Lance Delacroix
<lance_delacroix@fastmail.fm> wrote:

>On Sun, 29 Jun 2003 22:22:15 GMT, DragonRider <NoSpam@NoJunkAtAll.com>
>prounounced a fatwah thus:
>
>>On Sun, 29 Jun 2003 20:15:00 +0300, Lance Delacroix
>><lance_delacroix@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 29 Jun 2003 15:05:50 GMT, DragonRider <NoSpam@NoJunkAtAll.com>
>>>prounounced a fatwah thus:
>>>
>>>>On Sun, 29 Jun 2003 14:14:00 +0300, Lance Delacroix
>>>><lance_delacroix@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Sun, 29 Jun 2003 08:05:40 GMT, DragonRider <NoSpam@NoJunkAtAll.com>
>>>>>prounounced a fatwah thus:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On 29 Jun 2003 00:01:07 -0700, yosponge@yahoo.com (sponge) wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Tue, 24 Jun 2003 21:42:19 -0400, DragonRider
>>>>>>><NoSpam@NoJunkAtAll.com> wrote:
>>
>>>If you are downloading files, you are most certainly receiving (and

[snip]

>>>What is this program that you think is "spoofing" your IP? It is not
>>>doing what you think it's doing.
>>
>>Stealther v2.7
>
>Okay, I get it. No ****ing way are you truly hidden. You are
>relaying through proxy servers, so your IP is hidden from the server
>that contains the web page you are viewing (and from all but the first
>server in the relay chain). GRC.com can't find you because it
>attempts to contact you *directly*, and it can't. Each proxy server
>in the chain knows where the next one and the previous one are; they
>relay data back to you just as they relay your requests out. This
>setup makes you "anonymous" in the sense that you cannot be *easily*
>and routinely traced. This does enhance your security to a certain
>extent, no doubt about it, but there is a record of every interaction
>between every pair of computers in the chain, and the trail leads back
>to you. Don't send out any death threats. :-)) Also, if grc.com
>can't find you, saying that you are "stealthed" (in the sense that
>your ports are closed) is misleading.

Hmmm, makes sense. A friend recommended this method as a way to not
let nasty webpages track me, but this isn't the solution (and I'll
tell him).

Well, but what can a person do? A firewall doesn't do this, just
stops people from, supposedly, get into your system.

Thanks for all the info. Much appreciated.

[Lance Delacroix]

On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 09:42:25 GMT, DragonRider <NoSpam@NoJunkAtAll.com>
prounounced a fatwah thus:

>On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 09:15:17 +0300, Lance Delacroix
><lance_delacroix@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 29 Jun 2003 22:22:15 GMT, DragonRider <NoSpam@NoJunkAtAll.com>
>>prounounced a fatwah thus:
>>
>>>On Sun, 29 Jun 2003 20:15:00 +0300, Lance Delacroix
>>><lance_delacroix@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sun, 29 Jun 2003 15:05:50 GMT, DragonRider <NoSpam@NoJunkAtAll.com>
>>>>prounounced a fatwah thus:
>>>>
>>>>>On Sun, 29 Jun 2003 14:14:00 +0300, Lance Delacroix
>>>>><lance_delacroix@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Sun, 29 Jun 2003 08:05:40 GMT, DragonRider <NoSpam@NoJunkAtAll.com>
>>>>>>prounounced a fatwah thus:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On 29 Jun 2003 00:01:07 -0700, yosponge@yahoo.com (sponge) wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Tue, 24 Jun 2003 21:42:19 -0400, DragonRider
>>>>>>>><NoSpam@NoJunkAtAll.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>If you are downloading files, you are most certainly receiving (and
>
>[snip]
>
>>>>What is this program that you think is "spoofing" your IP? It is not
>>>>doing what you think it's doing.
>>>
>>>Stealther v2.7
>>
>>Okay, I get it. No ****ing way are you truly hidden. You are
>>relaying through proxy servers, so your IP is hidden from the server
>>that contains the web page you are viewing (and from all but the first
>>server in the relay chain). GRC.com can't find you because it
>>attempts to contact you *directly*, and it can't. Each proxy server
>>in the chain knows where the next one and the previous one are; they
>>relay data back to you just as they relay your requests out. This
>>setup makes you "anonymous" in the sense that you cannot be *easily*
>>and routinely traced. This does enhance your security to a certain
>>extent, no doubt about it, but there is a record of every interaction
>>between every pair of computers in the chain, and the trail leads back
>>to you. Don't send out any death threats. :-)) Also, if grc.com
>>can't find you, saying that you are "stealthed" (in the sense that
>>your ports are closed) is misleading.
>
>Hmmm, makes sense. A friend recommended this method as a way to not
>let nasty webpages track me, but this isn't the solution (and I'll
>tell him).
>
>Well, but what can a person do? A firewall doesn't do this, just
>stops people from, supposedly, get into your system.

A properly configured firewall can help, and you *do* need one.
Cookie control can help, too, and there are other apps (DNSKong -
eDexter and/or a HOSTS file) you might look into using . See the FAQ
or go to Sponge's page for a primer.

>
>Thanks for all the info. Much appreciated.

[Aaron]

DragonRider <NoSpam@NoJunkAtAll.com> wrote in
news:fa10gvccrv5afe8or29ahm321fhtqvsh5u@4ax.com:

> On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 09:15:17 +0300, Lance Delacroix
> <lance_delacroix@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 29 Jun 2003 22:22:15 GMT, DragonRider <NoSpam@NoJunkAtAll.com>
>>prounounced a fatwah thus:
>>
>>>On Sun, 29 Jun 2003 20:15:00 +0300, Lance Delacroix
>>><lance_delacroix@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sun, 29 Jun 2003 15:05:50 GMT, DragonRider
>>>><NoSpam@NoJunkAtAll.com> prounounced a fatwah thus:
>>>>
>>>>>On Sun, 29 Jun 2003 14:14:00 +0300, Lance Delacroix
>>>>><lance_delacroix@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Sun, 29 Jun 2003 08:05:40 GMT, DragonRider
>>>>>><NoSpam@NoJunkAtAll.com> prounounced a fatwah thus:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On 29 Jun 2003 00:01:07 -0700, yosponge@yahoo.com (sponge) wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Tue, 24 Jun 2003 21:42:19 -0400, DragonRider
>>>>>>>><NoSpam@NoJunkAtAll.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>If you are downloading files, you are most certainly receiving (and
>
> [snip]
>
>>>>What is this program that you think is "spoofing" your IP? It is
>>>>not doing what you think it's doing.
>>>
>>>Stealther v2.7
>>
>>Okay, I get it. No ****ing way are you truly hidden. You are
>>relaying through proxy servers, so your IP is hidden from the server
>>that contains the web page you are viewing (and from all but the first
>>server in the relay chain). GRC.com can't find you because it
>>attempts to contact you *directly*, and it can't. Each proxy server
>>in the chain knows where the next one and the previous one are; they
>>relay data back to you just as they relay your requests out. This
>>setup makes you "anonymous" in the sense that you cannot be *easily*
>>and routinely traced. This does enhance your security to a certain
>>extent, no doubt about it, but there is a record of every interaction
>>between every pair of computers in the chain, and the trail leads back
>>to you.

Well yeah, except some of the proxy servers clear their logs monthly or
whatever, so there is some protection. Assuming you routed your
connection through enough servers distributed around the world (to be
immune from legal threats from law enforcement agencies), wouldnt it be
difficult for someone to trace you? I suppose they could just try to hack
the server also for the logs...



Don't send out any death threats. :-)) Also, if grc.com
>>can't find you, saying that you are "stealthed" (in the sense that
>>your ports are closed) is misleading.

Hmm, wouldn't grc think that the person was coming from the closest
annoymous proxy server?

If you are using ipagent to run, you connect to grc directly first, so
grc should bypass all the annoymous servers to get your real ip.

> Hmmm, makes sense. A friend recommended this method as a way to not
> let nasty webpages track me, but this isn't the solution (and I'll
> tell him).
>
> Well, but what can a person do? A firewall doesn't do this, just
> stops people from, supposedly, get into your system.

There is no perfect system. But if you route your connection through
several annoymous proxies all around the world, most ordinary people
would have no chance at all trying to trace you. Perhaps only the most
determined law enforcement agencies and hackers might be able to do it.




> Thanks for all the info. Much appreciated.
>



Aaron
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[DragonRider]

On 30 Jun 2003 19:13:51 +0800, Aaron <aarontaycheehsien@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>DragonRider <NoSpam@NoJunkAtAll.com> wrote in
>news:fa10gvccrv5afe8or29ahm321fhtqvsh5u@4ax.com :
>
>> On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 09:15:17 +0300, Lance Delacroix
>> <lance_delacroix@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 29 Jun 2003 22:22:15 GMT, DragonRider <NoSpam@NoJunkAtAll.com>
>>>prounounced a fatwah thus:
>>>
>>>>On Sun, 29 Jun 2003 20:15:00 +0300, Lance Delacroix
>>>><lance_delacroix@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Sun, 29 Jun 2003 15:05:50 GMT, DragonRider
>>>>><NoSpam@NoJunkAtAll.com> prounounced a fatwah thus:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Sun, 29 Jun 2003 14:14:00 +0300, Lance Delacroix
>>>>>><lance_delacroix@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Sun, 29 Jun 2003 08:05:40 GMT, DragonRider
>>>>>>><NoSpam@NoJunkAtAll.com> prounounced a fatwah thus:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On 29 Jun 2003 00:01:07 -0700, yosponge@yahoo.com (sponge) wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On Tue, 24 Jun 2003 21:42:19 -0400, DragonRider
>>>>>>>>><NoSpam@NoJunkAtAll.com> wrote:

[snip]

>There is no perfect system. But if you route your connection through
>several annoymous proxies all around the world, most ordinary people
>would have no chance at all trying to trace you. Perhaps only the most
>determined law enforcement agencies and hackers might be able to do it.

What _are_ proxies. Sorry for the newbie question but I have seen
this term before just don't know what it means or why people would
use.

Tx.

[Lance Delacroix]

On Tue, 01 Jul 2003 00:32:00 GMT, DragonRider <NoSpam@NoJunkAtAll.com>
prounounced a fatwah thus:

>On 30 Jun 2003 19:13:51 +0800, Aaron <aarontaycheehsien@yahoo.com>
>wrote:
>
>>DragonRider <NoSpam@NoJunkAtAll.com> wrote in
>>news:fa10gvccrv5afe8or29ahm321fhtqvsh5u@4ax.co m:
>>
>>> On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 09:15:17 +0300, Lance Delacroix
>>> <lance_delacroix@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sun, 29 Jun 2003 22:22:15 GMT, DragonRider <NoSpam@NoJunkAtAll.com>
>>>>prounounced a fatwah thus:
>>>>
>>>>>On Sun, 29 Jun 2003 20:15:00 +0300, Lance Delacroix
>>>>><lance_delacroix@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Sun, 29 Jun 2003 15:05:50 GMT, DragonRider
>>>>>><NoSpam@NoJunkAtAll.com> prounounced a fatwah thus:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Sun, 29 Jun 2003 14:14:00 +0300, Lance Delacroix
>>>>>>><lance_delacroix@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Sun, 29 Jun 2003 08:05:40 GMT, DragonRider
>>>>>>>><NoSpam@NoJunkAtAll.com> prounounced a fatwah thus:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On 29 Jun 2003 00:01:07 -0700, yosponge@yahoo.com (sponge) wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>On Tue, 24 Jun 2003 21:42:19 -0400, DragonRider
>>>>>>>>>><NoSpam@NoJunkAtAll.com> wrote:
>
>[snip]
>
>>There is no perfect system. But if you route your connection through
>>several annoymous proxies all around the world, most ordinary people
>>would have no chance at all trying to trace you. Perhaps only the most
>>determined law enforcement agencies and hackers might be able to do it.
>
>What _are_ proxies. Sorry for the newbie question but I have seen
>this term before just don't know what it means or why people would
>use.

It's an intermediate server that you connect to instead of connecting
directly to another server "out there". A proxy is generally used by
an ISP to store web pages that have already been accessed locally
because it's faster to download pages from the proxy than to retrieve
them again from their original source: You download a page through a
proxy server and it gets stored on the proxy server; then the next
time you need that page, it's right there on the proxy waiting for
you.

Proxy servers have other uses, too. One is to mask a user's
identity,as you are doing. It's like laundering money. Another is to
allow the application of web-page filters that are stored on the proxy
server or to perform other operations on a downloaded file (a web
page); that's what Proxomitron does, and that's also one of the ways
that access to pages can be blocked.

Any time you need to know the meaning of a term, just type it into
Google.

>Tx.