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In light of the KNOWN reasons to try and eradicate pests that are
harmfull to plants... There efforts are mainly to protect "agricultural production costs"

Certain County board reps say NO! to
county-wide crop-dusting for "light brown apple moth"
aka LBAM due to lack of long term effect studies of
"inert ingredients" and synthetic chemicals that
comprise the payload "pheromone"

Whatever the spelling and grammar
isn't..

The stuff is designed to attract the light brown apple
moth males to the scent bait. They are hoping that it
will keep them from finding females, in an effort to
reduce their population...

There ARE other ways to "CONTROL" pest populations;

The pheromone is definately a lesser evil but!!

What the proponents didn't mention is the large number
of non target lepidoptera "moths" that are also
attracted to the same chemical pheromone (Tetradecenyl
acetate) or it's effects on their life cycle and the
life cycle of their predators.

Ornithologists in the room?
Do you like to look at colorfull moths and butterfly's? collector?
some other concerns...

See below; for a list of lepidoptera that are also
attracted to the same pheromone..

Consider the predators of moths;
Bats:
Some of the non target "moths" might be hold over food
sources for the bats that gorge themselfs on
mosquito's, less food for bats means, less bats to eat
mosquito's. More mosquito's means higher chances of less concerned Boards and reps authorising "crop-dusting" to kill mosquitos..

This is a domino effect!

The non-target moths may also be hold-over food
sources for small birds of prey such as the American Kestrel;

The Kestrel normally feeds on
grasshoppers and other flying insects, small birds, small rodents etc.. Durring summer months.

The Kestrel is a "protected" species..

There are a number of mating pairs of Kestrels in THIS
county... What if they feed on the non target moths
durring seasons that other food source are not available.. What if
there are not enough moths flying around to support
this protected species...

Besides the synthetic pheromone concerns, more info is
needed on the innert chemicals of the "capsule"
materials deemed to be "trade secrets" used for the
delivery vehicle in aerial dispersion. I'm guessing they don't want to tell, because it's bad, or a trade secret so they can execute and maintain a "monopoly" on their product...

We need long term studies to determine "FACTS" such as toxicity
effects of long term exposure for other species. Fish,
foul, worms, snails, slugs, grasshoppers, dragon fly's
etc.. And weather or not it is toxic/non toxic to
their predators. Do you eat fish?


Entertaining those that pretend not to wear tin-foil hats..

We also need to know what it's effects as a "binary"
component may be.. Accidental exposure of two or more
compounds that by themselfs might be "non-toxic" but
together; even in minute quantity could become a
highly toxic agent.. How do we know they aren't really
targeting "PEOPLE" selectively placing other
components of a binary "POISON" in their invironments,
as a cumulative toxin, then deploying the activator...



(E)-11-Tetradecenyl acetate
pheromone chemical name;

a list of lepidoptera females that are known to
have a pheromone attractant for the sole purpose
of attracting mates; apparently it is the pheromone
Chemical name Tetradecenyl acetate..

This list is just those moths KNOWN to this ONE
University..
http://www.nysaes.cornell.edu/pheron...s/e1114ac.html

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Compound reported in the species listed below. P =
identified in the female, P a = identified and
(co)attractant for males; no code = (co)attractant
only. Click a species name for information on the full
blend
CAS Registry no = [33189-72-9]

Gracillariidae, Gracillariinae
Aspilapteryx tringipennella
Gracillariidae, Lithocolletinae
Phyllonorycter kleemanella
Ethmiidae
Ethmia monticola
Ethmia punctella
Oecophoridae
Cheimophila salicella P a
Cheimophila sp.
Diurnea phryganella
Cosmopterigidae
Limnaecia phragmitella P a
Sathrobrota sp.
Stagmatophora niphosticta
Gelechiidae, Gelechiinae
Chionodes sp.
Gelechiidae, Dichomerinae
Acompsia tripunctella
Dichomeris ligulella
Yponomeutidae
Euhyponomeutoides rufella
Niphonympha anas
Yponomeuta cagnagellus P a
Yponomeuta evonymellus P a
Yponomeuta irrorellus P a
Yponomeuta padellus P a
Yponomeuta plumbellus P a
Yponomeuta vigintipunctatus P a
Plutellidae
Homadaula anisocentra
Tortricidae, Tortricinae, Archipini
Acropolitis hedista P
Acropolitis rudisana P
Acropolitis xuthobapta P
Adoxophyes orana P
Adoxophyes orana fasciata P
Adoxophyes privatara
Adoxophyes sp. (smaller tea tortrix) P a
Aphelia paleana
Archips argyrospila P
Archips asiatica
Archips breviplicana P a
Archips capsigerana
Archips cerasivorana P a
Archips crataegana P
Archips fuscocupreana
Archips micaceanus
Archips mortuana
Archips oporana
Archips oporana similis
Archips peratrata
Archips podana P a
Archips pomivora
Archips rosana P a
Archips semiferana P a
Archips tsugana
Archips viola
Archips xylosteana P a
Argyrotaenia pulchellana P a
Argyrotaenia velutinana P a
Cacoecimorpha pronubana P a
Catamacta gavisana P
Choristoneura fumiferana P
Choristoneura lambertiana
Choristoneura lambertiana subretiniana
Choristoneura sp. n. CPG=Prince George P
Choristoneura occidentalis P
Choristoneura orae P a
Choristoneura parallela P a
Choristoneura pinus maritima
Choristoneura pinus pinus P a
Choristoneura retiniana P a
Choristoneura rosaceana P a
Clepsis dumicolana
Clepsis furcana
Clepsis pritana
Cryptoptila australana P
Cryptoptila sp. P
Ditula angustiorana
Ecclitica torogramma P
Epiphyas postvittana P a
Epiphyas xylodes P
Homonopsis foederatana
Hoshinoa longicellana P a
Merophyas divulsana P
Merophyas leucaniana P a
Merophyas sp. P
Pandemis cerasana P a
Pandemis chlorograpta
Pandemis cinnamomeana
Parasyndemis histrionana
Planotortrix clarkei P
Planotortrix orthropis P
Planotortrix spatiosa P
Pyrgotis plagiatana P
Syndemis musculana P
"Tortrix" flavescens P
Tortricidae, Tortricinae, Sparganothini
Cenopis acerivorana P
Platynota flavedana P
Platynota idaeusalis P a
Platynota stultana P a
Sparganothis albicaudana
Sparganothis directana P a
Sparganothis pilleriana P a
Sparganothis sp. P a
Sparganothis sulfureana
Sparganothis tunicana
Tortricidae, Tortricinae, Cnephasiini
Arotrophora arcuatalis P
Tortricidae, Tortricinae, Tortricini
Acleris emargana
Acleris enitescens
Acleris filipjevi
Acleris minuta P
Acleris paradiseana
Acleris rhombana
Aleimma loeflingiana
Croesia bergmanniana
Croesia curvalana P a
Croesia holmiana
Tortricidae, Tortricinae, Cochylini
Aethes margarotana
Aethes rubigana
Agapeta zoegana P
Cochylis hospes P a
Cochylis hybridella
Cochylis molliculana
Commophila umbrabsana
Diceratura ostrinana
Eupoecilia angustana
Hysterosia cartwrightana
Hysterosia inopinana
Phalonia sp.
Stenodes alternana
Tortricidae, Olethreutinae, Olethreutini
Apotomis capreana
Endopiza viteana P
Endothenia nigricostana
Tortricidae, Olethreutinae, Eucosmini
Epiblema sp.
Gravitarmata margarotana P
Rhopobota naevana P
Zeiraphera diniana P a
Tortricidae, Olethreutinae, Grapholitini
Dichrorampha petiverella
Gypsonoma dealbana
Gypsonoma minutana
Tortricidae incertae sedis
Sperchia intractana P
Taeniarchis catenata P
Zygaenidae
Doratopteryx plumigera
Zygaena ephialtes
Pterophoridae
Oidaematophorus rileyi
Oidaematophorus cretidactylus
Oidaematophorus mathewianus
Trichoptilus lobidactylus
Pyralidae, Evergestiinae
Evergestis forficalis
Pyralidae, Pyraustinae
Ecpyrrhorrhoe rubiginalis
Fumibotys fumalis P
Loxostege sticticalis
Ostrinia nubilalis P a
Ostrinia obumbratalis
Ostrinia scapulalis P a
Paliga minnehaha
Pyrausta aurata
Pyrausta cingulata
Pyrausta ochosalis
Pyrausta ostrinalis
Pyrausta purpuralis
Pyralidae, Phycitinae
Etiella behrii P a
Etiella zinckenella P a
Drepanidae
Cilix glaucata
Noctuidae, Amphipyrinae
Amphipoea interoceanica
Busseola fusca P a
Hydraecia micacea P a
Spodoptera littoralis P
Noctuidae, Cuculliinae
Homoglaea sp.

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I want my click back

[Gizmokid2005]

Because I came here twice, once to see the new posts, I only want one click back...not as a refund...but a payback

[cauzomb]

I'll give a refund for clicks here in the form of an invite to join the {dark} side :P except you probly wouldn't like playing invasion, and it's not good for stats..

[Gizmokid2005]

LOL!! Your dark side includes too much [tinfoilhat][/tinfoilhat] for my liking

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Quoted from newpaper;

"The Environmental Protection Agency did an about-face Monday.. A potentially harmful chemical a judge cited in a recent decision to halt aerial spraying in Monterey County to eradicate the light brown apple moth is actually not part of the pesticide..."



OK people this is what your average missinformer would call "redirection"

Don't forget that the Judge cited chemical's that are used in the delivery vehicle!!! A strange "proprietary" chemical encapsulation that was said to be hydrophelic...

Durring a public hearing proponents of the spray application said the delivery vehicle "inert ingredients" would make a hydrophelic bubble and float on water untill it reached "land" then it would eventually dry out and release the pheromone... but that is exact opposite of what is listed in the "properties" of PPI in the MSDS.. According to the MSDS, PPI will break down in moist air or appon contact with water.....

These people are threatening to SUE over the "accidental" release of the ingredients list for their "product" in fear of making it easier for their competitors to make similar products..


PPI is the part of the "mixture" used to provide aerial disperssion and control the release of the synthetic "pheremone" but the WHOLE product with inert ingredients and all; known as "checkmate" is being called a pesticide... So they are epressing that PPI is not "part" of the pesticide.

The dispersion vehicle that contains PPI is not the "pesticide" so they are saying that the potentially harmfull chemical is not "part" of the pesticide....

There are other vehicles, including twist tie scent patches, sticky traps, or other things that can be applied by hand....

"The ingredients of the pesticide were mistakenly provided by the EPA to the newspaper last month..."

"Since then the manufacturer, Suterra LLC, based in Bend, Oregon, has threatened legal action against the newspaper"

OOO lol freedom of information act;

"it's"="little brown apple moth"
"In areas around Santa Cruz County, the site of its heaviest infestation, the state plans to do what it has done in Monterey -- spray artificial moth pheromones in a product called Checkmate, a chemical blend that can stifle the species' ability to reproduce. Spraying in Santa Cruz County is scheduled for next month."

I hope they have intelectual property, copyright or "patent" on their chemical coctail.. errmn product, otherwise they can piss off with their fear of loosing their MONOPOLY!!!!!

"In his ruling, O'Farrell took issue not with the pheromones but with using an inert ingredient called polymethylene polyphenyl isocyanate that has been linked to asthma"~



I know this stuff isn't quite as bad as "super-glue's" cyano-acrylite. but imagine if you already have asthma? or some other respritory issue.. They are saying this PPI is just one of the "proprietary" ingredients that they use for the "controlled" release of the pheromone. And they are "saying" that their new version pheromone with be more specific to the "lbam" but the base chemical of the pheromone is still linked to being an attractant to a LARGE number of other non target moths! And they want to spray in winter/rain season prior to see above... Also, anything I can find about chemicals that have the name cyano-"ANYTHING" seem to be natural "fugicides" wonder if it's an antidote to the children of the corn *cybe. spores that the big money mushroom compost heaps are stirring up all over both counties, Didn't they mix a bunch of horse **** and pig blood and hay together to make anthrax spores? all common farm byproducts...

[Heylinder]

I think I need to run a few of you through the ol' Maxwell 16

[Gizmokid2005]

Who would you be referring to Hey?

[cauzomb]

it seams like the way they worded their article, they are trying to avoid getting sued by the pesticide company, without taking back what they already said....