Thanks for the response. I am aware of the 2 anti virus no-no. I had CA anti virus but was have uninstalled it before I went with Zone Alarm. It shows ca security suite but the only item installed is the spyware. The only two items running is Zone Alarm and Spysweeper. All the others I just use for scanning. I just use Total Net Shield for surfing the web on sites I'm not sure about. Can't use it on Ebay or Paypay. If you log in using TNS, you will have to change your password in a day or two. I will search for Symantec file and delete them. I uninstalled it a long time ago but you know how it is, programs like to leave stuff in your computer.