I have another question sorry, I didn't sleep much last night and I guess I didn't because all of the nagging questions that kept popping into my head. The most worrisome of which is that you might give up on me. Even though options are few at this point somehow it is comforting to know you are there and I can at least ask you questions before I do something that can't be undone. I thought about running a DDS scan this morning just to see what may have changed or not changed with all of our work. The problem is other than seeing that McAfee may not be gone I would not know what to look for. I also thought about just calling McAfee customer support and have them check files but then I decided that you probably can do that better than they can. I just thought they might know where it hides out that the uninstall in Control Panel and their removal tool can't reach it. From reading some on this forum I have decided the mistake I made was trying to uninstall McAfee while still having the infection on my machine. Apparently it stopped something from uninstalling that should have and the McAfee tool just can't get it done. Anyway, I am sorry for the long post I just wake up this way in the mornings!