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  1. #1
    David H. Lipman Guest

    Re: Question about hacking web-mail (hotmail) accounts

    From: "Virus Guy" <Virus@Guy.com>

    > Today I got a strange e-mail from a friend that I seldom have had e-mail
    > contact with.
    >
    > He has a hotmail account, and header analysis shows that the e-mail did
    > indeed originate from hotmail.
    >
    > The subject was simply "video.."
    >
    > I've reproduced the message body as it appears in raw source format:
    >
    > --------------5200e5eee77f48869a
    > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"
    > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
    >
    > <b><span style="font-size: 20pt;">
    > <a alt="{alpha-numeric-here}
    > {alpha-numeric-here}
    > {alpha-numeric-here}"
    > id="{alpha-numeric-here}
    > {alpha-numeric-here}"
    > href="alpha-numeric.cw9.me/dd_name@my-domain.tld/alpha-
    > numeric-here------_ViewMsg" >
    > Click here to read this message</a>
    >
    > --------------5200e5eee77f48869a
    > Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1"
    > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
    >
    > <b><span style="font-size: 20pt;">
    > <a alt="{alpha-numeric-here}
    > {alpha-numeric-here}
    > {alpha-numeric-here}"
    > id="{alpha-numeric-here}
    > {alpha-numeric-here}"
    > href="alpha-numeric.cw9.me/dd_name@my-domain.tld/alpha-
    > numeric-here------_ViewMsg" >
    > Click here to read this message</a>
    > --------------5200e5eee77f48869a
    >
    > Everywhere you see "alpha-numeric-here" is where there was a string of
    > seemingly random alpha-numeric characters. These strings were not
    > identical.
    >
    > When viewed normally, there is only 1 line of text that says "Click here
    > to read this message". That line is hyper-linked to a URL at the domain
    > cw9.me. That domain appears to have been registered yesterday.
    >
    > I'd like to hear your ideas as to what the link is supposed to do. It
    > appears to be a track-back link of some sort (enabling the server to log
    > valid e-mail addresses). It also seems to spawn a request to
    > maxmind.com (a domain that was blocked by my hosts file). A simple http
    > request to cw9.com spawns this re-direction:
    >
    > http://j.maxmind.com/app/geoip.js
    >
    > If you try it, and look at geoip.js, you'll see a brief IP-geolocation
    > report your IP address.
    >
    > If you try cw9.com in a browser without any web-blocking, it looks like
    > you get hit with a bunch of advertizing.
    >
    > So if anyone wants to follow up on what is being attempted by this URL,
    > please post back your analysis.
    >
    > I had my friend with the comprimized hotmail account login into his
    > account and check his sent folder. Sure enough, there were lots of
    > examples of this e-mail being sent to all of his contacts. In my case,
    > based on looking at the e-mail headers, the perp seems to have logged in
    > from (or through) an IP address in Argentina.
    >
    > So, if anyone here knows anything about the operational details of how a
    > web-mail account gets hacked and used, here are my questions:
    >
    > 1) why doesn't the perp (or the automated process behind these
    > activities) delete the spams it sends from the victim's sent-mail
    > folder?
    >
    > 2) why doesn't the perp (or the automated process) change the victim's
    > account password so that he/it has exclusive and continuous use of the
    > account?
    >
    > 3) and here's the 64 thousand dollar question -> is it known if these
    > accounts are comprimized through a password-cracking process, or was the
    > password knowable because the victim's personal computer (the computer
    > typically used to access the web-mail account) was hacked (trojanized,
    > keylogged, etc)?
    >
    > What are the odds that my friend's computer (2-year-old win-7 machine of
    > some sort) is infected with something, and that "something" is how the
    > hackers learned of the hotmail password?



    That's not the full Hotmail header.


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  2. #2
    Virus Guy Guest

    Re: Question about hacking web-mail (hotmail) accounts

    "David H. Lipman" wrote:

    > That's not the full Hotmail header.


    I said it was the full message body. There was no need to reproduce the
    header (because it has no bearing on the context of my questions).

  3. #3
    David H. Lipman Guest

    Re: Question about hacking web-mail (hotmail) accounts

    From: "Virus Guy" <Virus@Guy.com>

    > "David H. Lipman" wrote:
    >
    >> That's not the full Hotmail header.

    >
    > I said it was the full message body. There was no need to reproduce the
    > header (because it has no bearing on the context of my questions).


    Except the source.


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  4. #4
    Virus Guy Guest

    Re: Question about hacking web-mail (hotmail) accounts

    "David H. Lipman" wrote:

    > >> That's not the full Hotmail header.

    > >
    > > I said it was the full message body. There was no need to
    > > reproduce the header (because it has no bearing on the
    > > context of my questions).

    >
    > Except the source.


    I'm not following you.

    The password for a hotmail account has become known to a third party
    (call him a hacker, cracker, criminal, what-ever you want).

    E-mails were sent through hotmail using the account's credentials.
    Copies of those e-mails are present in the sent folder of the account.

    I am most curious as to how the account password became comprimized.

    How is you seeing the full header going to speak to that question?

  5. #5
    David W. Hodgins Guest

    Re: Question about hacking web-mail (hotmail) accounts

    On Tue, 01 May 2012 21:29:00 -0400, Virus Guy <Virus@guy.com> wrote:

    > I am most curious as to how the account password became comprimized.


    http://it.slashdot.org/story/12/04/2...d-exploitation

    Regards, Dave Hodgins

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  6. #6
    David H. Lipman Guest

    Re: Question about hacking web-mail (hotmail) accounts

    From: "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org>

    > On Tue, 01 May 2012 21:29:00 -0400, Virus Guy <Virus@guy.com> wrote:
    >
    >> I am most curious as to how the account password became comprimized.

    >
    > http://it.slashdot.org/story/12/04/2...d-exploitation
    >


    That explians why the flood of Job Fraud emails via compromised HotMail
    accounts I have received stopped around that time frame.

    Thanx Dave

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  7. #7
    David H. Lipman Guest

    Re: Question about hacking web-mail (hotmail) accounts

    From: "David H. Lipman" <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net>

    > From: "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org>
    >
    >> On Tue, 01 May 2012 21:29:00 -0400, Virus Guy <Virus@guy.com> wrote:
    >>
    >>> I am most curious as to how the account password became comprimized.

    >>
    >> http://it.slashdot.org/story/12/04/2...d-exploitation
    >>

    > That explians why the flood of Job Fraud emails via compromised HotMail
    > accounts I have received stopped around that time frame.
    >


    Damn - Just got another one :-(



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  8. #8
    Ant Guest

    Re: Question about hacking web-mail (hotmail) accounts

    "David W. Hodgins" wrote:

    > On Tue, 01 May 2012 21:29:00 -0400, Virus Guy wrote:
    >> I am most curious as to how the account password became comprimized.

    >
    > http://it.slashdot.org/story/12/04/2...d-exploitation


    That's a password-reset vulnerability. In this case there was no
    password change so, unless there's another Hotmail bug, I believe
    it's more likely that social engineering or malware was involved.



  9. #9
    FromTheRafters Guest

    Re: Question about hacking web-mail (hotmail) accounts

    Virus Guy wrote:
    > "David H. Lipman" wrote:
    >
    >>>> That's not the full Hotmail header.
    >>>
    >>> I said it was the full message body. There was no need to
    >>> reproduce the header (because it has no bearing on the
    >>> context of my questions).

    >>
    >> Except the source.

    >
    > I'm not following you.
    >
    > The password for a hotmail account has become known to a third party
    > (call him a hacker, cracker, criminal, what-ever you want).


    That might not be exactly true. I don't know the full details of how
    hotmail works it, but in some cases where a password is used *only* the
    client knows that password.

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