(OT) Did you get an email from me?

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

Dustin wrote:

> "Beauregard T. Shagnasty" wrote:
>> Dustin wrote:
>>> ...
>>> Unfortunately, Google has been building a contact list for the webmail
>>> by harvesting email address(s) being passed in transit from the
>>> smtp/pop3 transactions. In other words, they're harvesting and storing
>>> it in your webmail account for your convenience.
>>
>> That must only be happening to you. :-/ I just checked my two POP3
>> gmail accounts, and there are no harvested/stored email addresses at
>> the webmail interface.
>
> Hi BTS.
>
> I knew I wasn't imagining things, so I googled.
>
> http://support.google.com/mail/bin/a...en&answer=8933
> <snip>

What you describe appears to be something that may happen if you are
using the gmail webmail interface. In your post, you stated they were
harvesting emails "in transit from smtp/pop3 transactions." There's a big
difference.

I read my gmail in Thunderbird, POPping and SMTPing through gmail as you
alluded, and there is no harvesting.

--
-bts
-This space for rent, but the price is high

[Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries]

Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
> Dustin wrote:
>
>> "Beauregard T. Shagnasty" wrote:
>>> Dustin wrote:
>>>> ...
>>>> Unfortunately, Google has been building a contact list for
>>>> the webmail by harvesting email address(s) being passed in
>>>> transit from the smtp/pop3 transactions. In other words,
>>>> they're harvesting and storing it in your webmail account
>>>> for your convenience.
>>>
>>> That must only be happening to you. :-/ I just checked my
>>> two POP3 gmail accounts, and there are no harvested/stored
>>> email addresses at the webmail interface.
>>
>> Hi BTS.
>>
>> I knew I wasn't imagining things, so I googled.
>>
>> http://support.google.com/mail/bin/a...en&answer=8933
>> <snip>
>
> What you describe appears to be something that may happen if
> you are using the gmail webmail interface. In your post, you
> stated they were harvesting emails "in transit from smtp/pop3
> transactions." There's a big difference.
>
> I read my gmail in Thunderbird, POPping and SMTPing through
> gmail as you alluded, and there is no harvesting.

Under the general settings tab, there's an option to "Create contacts for
auto-complete." The choices are "When I send a message to a new person, add
them to Other Contacts so that I can auto-complete to them next time" or
"I'll add contacts myself."

I'm pretty sure that when I send to an new email address using Outlook
rather than the web interface, Gmail saves the address for me in my contacts
just as it does when I use the web interface. I'm equally sure that if I
were to change my selection, it would stop doing so, no matter the interface
I use.

But once someone has access to one's webmail account, it really doesn't
matter. One way or another, once the account is hacked, all the mail one has
sent and received is available for the use of the intruder.

Note to Dustin: I got one from your email address too.

[FromTheRafters]

Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries wrote:
> Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
>> Dustin wrote:
>>
>>> "Beauregard T. Shagnasty" wrote:
>>>> Dustin wrote:
>>>>> ...
>>>>> Unfortunately, Google has been building a contact list for
>>>>> the webmail by harvesting email address(s) being passed in
>>>>> transit from the smtp/pop3 transactions. In other words,
>>>>> they're harvesting and storing it in your webmail account
>>>>> for your convenience.
>>>>
>>>> That must only be happening to you. :-/ I just checked my
>>>> two POP3 gmail accounts, and there are no harvested/stored
>>>> email addresses at the webmail interface.
>>>
>>> Hi BTS.
>>>
>>> I knew I wasn't imagining things, so I googled.
>>>
>>> http://support.google.com/mail/bin/a...en&answer=8933
>>> <snip>
>>
>> What you describe appears to be something that may happen if
>> you are using the gmail webmail interface. In your post, you
>> stated they were harvesting emails "in transit from smtp/pop3
>> transactions." There's a big difference.
>>
>> I read my gmail in Thunderbird, POPping and SMTPing through
>> gmail as you alluded, and there is no harvesting.
>
> Under the general settings tab, there's an option to "Create contacts for
> auto-complete." The choices are "When I send a message to a new person, add
> them to Other Contacts so that I can auto-complete to them next time" or
> "I'll add contacts myself."
>
> I'm pretty sure that when I send to an new email address using Outlook
> rather than the web interface, Gmail saves the address for me in my contacts
> just as it does when I use the web interface. I'm equally sure that if I
> were to change my selection, it would stop doing so, no matter the interface
> I use.
>
> But once someone has access to one's webmail account, it really doesn't
> matter. One way or another, once the account is hacked, all the mail one has
> sent and received is available for the use of the intruder.
>
> Note to Dustin: I got one from your email address too.
>
I didn't get one.

.... must be an oversight.

[Dustin]

FromTheRafters <erratic@nomail.afraid.org> wrote in
news:jcm7v2$cso$1@dont-email.me:

> Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries wrote:
>> Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
>>> Dustin wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Beauregard T. Shagnasty" wrote:
>>>>> Dustin wrote:
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>> Unfortunately, Google has been building a contact list for
>>>>>> the webmail by harvesting email address(s) being passed in
>>>>>> transit from the smtp/pop3 transactions. In other words,
>>>>>> they're harvesting and storing it in your webmail account
>>>>>> for your convenience.
>>>>>
>>>>> That must only be happening to you. :-/ I just checked my
>>>>> two POP3 gmail accounts, and there are no harvested/stored
>>>>> email addresses at the webmail interface.
>>>>
>>>> Hi BTS.
>>>>
>>>> I knew I wasn't imagining things, so I googled.
>>>>
>>>> http://support.google.com/mail/bin/a...en&answer=8933
>>>> <snip>
>>>
>>> What you describe appears to be something that may happen if
>>> you are using the gmail webmail interface. In your post, you
>>> stated they were harvesting emails "in transit from smtp/pop3
>>> transactions." There's a big difference.
>>>
>>> I read my gmail in Thunderbird, POPping and SMTPing through
>>> gmail as you alluded, and there is no harvesting.
>>
>> Under the general settings tab, there's an option to "Create contacts
>> for auto-complete." The choices are "When I send a message to a new
>> person, add them to Other Contacts so that I can auto-complete to them
>> next time" or "I'll add contacts myself."
>>
>> I'm pretty sure that when I send to an new email address using Outlook
>> rather than the web interface, Gmail saves the address for me in my
>> contacts just as it does when I use the web interface. I'm equally sure
>> that if I were to change my selection, it would stop doing so, no
>> matter the interface I use.
>>
>> But once someone has access to one's webmail account, it really doesn't
>> matter. One way or another, once the account is hacked, all the mail
>> one has sent and received is available for the use of the intruder.
>>
>> Note to Dustin: I got one from your email address too.
>>
> I didn't get one.
>
> ... must be an oversight.

Some isps have better spam filters, I guess.


--
Character is doing the right thing when nobody's looking. There are too
many people who think that the only thing that's right is to get by, and
the only thing that's wrong is to get caught. - J.C. Watts

[Dustin]

"Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries" <rhondaleakirk@earthling.net> wrote in
news:9l7k9oFr2sU1@mid.individual.net:

> I'm pretty sure that when I send to an new email address using Outlook
> rather than the web interface, Gmail saves the address for me in my
> contacts just as it does when I use the web interface. I'm equally sure
> that if I were to change my selection, it would stop doing so, no matter
> the interface I use.

Correct as far as I have been able to determine. I just didn't know this was
happening. I setup the account years ago. Enabled smtp/pop3, bookmarked a
url to redo the password for security (every few weeks ya see) and didn't
look back. That was a bad move on my part.

> But once someone has access to one's webmail account, it really doesn't
> matter. One way or another, once the account is hacked, all the mail one
> has sent and received is available for the use of the intruder.

Fortunatly, gmail hasn't been storing copies of my incoming emails (that I
could see), but it was keeping copies of outgoing emails. Another feature,
useful it could be, but.. not to me.

> Note to Dustin: I got one from your email address too.

I am very sorry Rhonda, I have honored your no contact request for years.
This was out of my control.


--
Character is doing the right thing when nobody's looking. There are too many
people who think that the only thing that's right is to get by, and the only
thing that's wrong is to get caught. - J.C. Watts

[Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries]

Dustin wrote:
> "Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries" <rhondaleakirk@earthling.net> wrote in
> news:9l7k9oFr2sU1@mid.individual.net:
>
>> I'm pretty sure that when I send to an new email address using
>> Outlook rather than the web interface, Gmail saves the address
>> for me in my contacts just as it does when I use the web
>> interface. I'm equally sure that if I were to change my
>> selection, it would stop doing so, no matter the interface I
>> use.
>
> Correct as far as I have been able to determine. I just didn't
> know this was happening. I setup the account years ago.
> Enabled smtp/pop3, bookmarked a url to redo the password for
> security (every few weeks ya see) and didn't look back. That
> was a bad move on my part.
>
>> But once someone has access to one's webmail account, it
>> really doesn't matter. One way or another, once the account is
>> hacked, all the mail one has sent and received is available
>> for the use of the intruder.
>
> Fortunatly, gmail hasn't been storing copies of my incoming
> emails (that I could see), but it was keeping copies of
> outgoing emails. Another feature, useful it could be, but.. not
> to me.
>
>> Note to Dustin: I got one from your email address too.
>
> I am very sorry Rhonda, I have honored your no contact request
> for years. This was out of my control.

No kidding, Dustin.

I've never had an intrusion into Gmail, but after my Hotmail account was
hacked, a fit of paranoia came over me, and I was changing passwords for
days. You would think that someone bright enough to do this sort of thing
would be able to get a real job.

[Dustin]

"Beauregard T. Shagnasty" <a.nony.mous@example.invalid> wrote in
news:jcm27i$l5f$1@dont-email.me:

> Dustin wrote:
>
>> "Beauregard T. Shagnasty" wrote:
>>> Dustin wrote:
>>>> ...
>>>> Unfortunately, Google has been building a contact list for the webmail
>>>> by harvesting email address(s) being passed in transit from the
>>>> smtp/pop3 transactions. In other words, they're harvesting and storing
>>>> it in your webmail account for your convenience.
>>>
>>> That must only be happening to you. :-/ I just checked my two POP3
>>> gmail accounts, and there are no harvested/stored email addresses at
>>> the webmail interface.
>>
>> Hi BTS.
>>
>> I knew I wasn't imagining things, so I googled.
>>
>> http://support.google.com/mail/bin/a...en&answer=8933
>> <snip>
>
> What you describe appears to be something that may happen if you are
> using the gmail webmail interface. In your post, you stated they were
> harvesting emails "in transit from smtp/pop3 transactions." There's a big
> difference.

Well, it's the only way I could think of where they had acquired the
specific list of email addresses. I cross referenced them with my email
client. Google has kept a very nice record of my account for me to peruse.
I didn't place these addresses in google intentionally, BTS. They did it
for me.

It's even contacted people I don't converse with.

> I read my gmail in Thunderbird, POPping and SMTPing through gmail as you
> alluded, and there is no harvesting.

I can provide no other explanation.




--
Character is doing the right thing when nobody's looking. There are too
many people who think that the only thing that's right is to get by, and
the only thing that's wrong is to get caught. - J.C. Watts

[Dustin]

"Beauregard T. Shagnasty" <a.nony.mous@example.invalid> wrote in news:jcm27i
$l5f$1@dont-email.me:

> I read my gmail in Thunderbird, POPping and SMTPing through gmail as you
> alluded, and there is no harvesting.

I have found that if you have contacts enabled via the webmail interface and
you send an email via smtp, it'll be added to your contact list. I've also
found that google can't blame me for the security breach as under account
details, the china login method is listed as "Unknown" not web, not pop3. Ho
Ho Ho.


--
Character is doing the right thing when nobody's looking. There are too many
people who think that the only thing that's right is to get by, and the only
thing that's wrong is to get caught. - J.C. Watts

[Bullwinkle.]

So, it was your error that caused al the contacts to be stored.


"Dustin" <bughunter.dustin@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9FC56C38CB086HHI2948AJD832@no...

I have found that if you have contacts enabled via the webmail interface and
you send an email via smtp, it'll be added to your contact list. I've also
found that google can't blame me for the security breach as under account
details, the china login method is listed as "Unknown" not web, not pop3. Ho
Ho Ho.