(OT) Did you get an email from me?

[Dustin]

FromTheRafters <erratic@nomail.afraid.org> wrote in
news:jcm7v2$cso$1@dont-email.me:

> Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries wrote:
>> Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
>>> Dustin wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Beauregard T. Shagnasty" wrote:
>>>>> Dustin wrote:
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>> Unfortunately, Google has been building a contact list for
>>>>>> the webmail by harvesting email address(s) being passed in
>>>>>> transit from the smtp/pop3 transactions. In other words,
>>>>>> they're harvesting and storing it in your webmail account
>>>>>> for your convenience.
>>>>>
>>>>> That must only be happening to you. :-/ I just checked my
>>>>> two POP3 gmail accounts, and there are no harvested/stored
>>>>> email addresses at the webmail interface.
>>>>
>>>> Hi BTS.
>>>>
>>>> I knew I wasn't imagining things, so I googled.
>>>>
>>>> http://support.google.com/mail/bin/a...en&answer=8933
>>>> <snip>
>>>
>>> What you describe appears to be something that may happen if
>>> you are using the gmail webmail interface. In your post, you
>>> stated they were harvesting emails "in transit from smtp/pop3
>>> transactions." There's a big difference.
>>>
>>> I read my gmail in Thunderbird, POPping and SMTPing through
>>> gmail as you alluded, and there is no harvesting.
>>
>> Under the general settings tab, there's an option to "Create contacts
>> for auto-complete." The choices are "When I send a message to a new
>> person, add them to Other Contacts so that I can auto-complete to them
>> next time" or "I'll add contacts myself."
>>
>> I'm pretty sure that when I send to an new email address using Outlook
>> rather than the web interface, Gmail saves the address for me in my
>> contacts just as it does when I use the web interface. I'm equally sure
>> that if I were to change my selection, it would stop doing so, no
>> matter the interface I use.
>>
>> But once someone has access to one's webmail account, it really doesn't
>> matter. One way or another, once the account is hacked, all the mail
>> one has sent and received is available for the use of the intruder.
>>
>> Note to Dustin: I got one from your email address too.
>>
> I didn't get one.
>
> ... must be an oversight.

Some isps have better spam filters, I guess.


--
Character is doing the right thing when nobody's looking. There are too
many people who think that the only thing that's right is to get by, and
the only thing that's wrong is to get caught. - J.C. Watts

[Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries]

Dustin wrote:
> "Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries" <rhondaleakirk@earthling.net> wrote in
> news:9l7k9oFr2sU1@mid.individual.net:
>
>> I'm pretty sure that when I send to an new email address using
>> Outlook rather than the web interface, Gmail saves the address
>> for me in my contacts just as it does when I use the web
>> interface. I'm equally sure that if I were to change my
>> selection, it would stop doing so, no matter the interface I
>> use.
>
> Correct as far as I have been able to determine. I just didn't
> know this was happening. I setup the account years ago.
> Enabled smtp/pop3, bookmarked a url to redo the password for
> security (every few weeks ya see) and didn't look back. That
> was a bad move on my part.
>
>> But once someone has access to one's webmail account, it
>> really doesn't matter. One way or another, once the account is
>> hacked, all the mail one has sent and received is available
>> for the use of the intruder.
>
> Fortunatly, gmail hasn't been storing copies of my incoming
> emails (that I could see), but it was keeping copies of
> outgoing emails. Another feature, useful it could be, but.. not
> to me.
>
>> Note to Dustin: I got one from your email address too.
>
> I am very sorry Rhonda, I have honored your no contact request
> for years. This was out of my control.

No kidding, Dustin.

I've never had an intrusion into Gmail, but after my Hotmail account was
hacked, a fit of paranoia came over me, and I was changing passwords for
days. You would think that someone bright enough to do this sort of thing
would be able to get a real job.

[G. Morgan]

Dustin wrote:

>My google (gmail) account had been compromised on Thursday according to the
>webmail details page.

I did not get one.

--

"I don't like to discriminate against terrorists based on nationality.
If you declare war on the United States and you want to kill us,
We're going to kill you first, period."

October 19, 2011 - Ali Soufan (Colbert Report)

[G. Morgan]

G. Morgan wrote:

>Dustin wrote:
>
>>My google (gmail) account had been compromised on Thursday according to the
>>webmail details page.
>
>I did not get one.

But I think I owe you one, I'm way behind on email.


--

"I don't like to discriminate against terrorists based on nationality.
If you declare war on the United States and you want to kill us,
We're going to kill you first, period."

October 19, 2011 - Ali Soufan (Colbert Report)

[John F. Morse]

On Sun, 18 Dec 2011 01:48:45 +0000 Dustin wrote:

> Hi All.
>
> I'd like to apologize for the email you may have gotten from me which
> suggested you purchasing New Apple iPhone 4S 64GB – Black. I'd never
> send you an email to suggest you buy anything, Especially an Apple
> product.
>
> My google (gmail) account had been compromised on Thursday according to
> the webmail details page. Google claims this occurred due to a spear
> phishing campaign I and thousands (hundreds of thousands?) of other
> gmail users all fell for. (If you don't buy that either, I don't blame
> you.) Unfortunately, Google has been building a contact list for the
> webmail by harvesting email address(s) being passed in transit from the
> smtp/pop3 transactions. In other words, they're harvesting and storing
> it in your webmail account for your convenience.
>
> If you use gmail for smtp/pop3 and not webmail as myself (nor any other
> google services), you may not be aware of this. I wasn't. Until
> yesterday. I did not knowingly put anyones email address out there.
> I have since changed the passphrase again, and removed everyone from
> this webmail contact list. I will be checking the webmail interface to
> ensure it's no longer creating any contact lists as I never agreed to
> such a thing and really don't consider it a feature in the context in
> which I'm using Gmail.
>
> I am very sorry this occurred and I have done what I can to prevent it
> from happening again, atleast in so far as my abilities as a non Oper of
> gmail.
> I take your email addresses and other aspects of privacy very
> :seriously.
>
> Thanks for your time!
>
> Dustin Cook

You haven't done all you can do to reduce your problem.

Google isn't your problem, but the crappy software you use is. (Windows
OS, Xnews)

Get rid of it. That is being serious.


--
John

When a person has -- whether they knew it or not -- already
rejected the Truth, by what means do they discern a lie?

[Betty]

John F. Morse wrote:

[...]

> You haven't done all you can do to reduce your problem.
>
> Google isn't your problem, but the crappy software you use is. (Windows
> OS, Xnews)
>
> Get rid of it. That is being serious.
>

What are you doing here in the vast wasteland of Usenet??!! [g]

[Dustin]

"John F. Morse" <john@example.invalid> wrote in
newsan.2011.12.20.11.43.57.639981@example.invalid:

> You haven't done all you can do to reduce your problem.

Yes I have.

> Google isn't your problem, but the crappy software you use is. (Windows
> OS, Xnews)

Windows wasn't responsible for the breach. The OS/usenet client had nothing
to do with it, from my pov or googles.

> Get rid of it. That is being serious.

--> Former "Malware Researcher" for malwarebytes.org, Seriously; I don't need
your unsound advice.


--
Character is doing the right thing when nobody's looking. There are too many
people who think that the only thing that's right is to get by, and the only
thing that's wrong is to get caught. - J.C. Watts

[~BD~]

Dustin wrote:
> Hi All.
>
> I'd like to apologize for the email you may have gotten from me which
> suggested you purchasing New Apple iPhone 4S 64GB – Black. I'd never send
> you an email to suggest you buy anything, Especially an Apple product.
>
> My google (gmail) account had been compromised on Thursday according to the
> webmail details page. Google claims this occurred due to a spear phishing
> campaign I and thousands (hundreds of thousands?) of other gmail users all
> fell for. (If you don't buy that either, I don't blame you.) Unfortunately,
> Google has been building a contact list for the webmail by harvesting email
> address(s) being passed in transit from the smtp/pop3 transactions. In
> other words, they're harvesting and storing it in your webmail account for
> your convenience.
>
> If you use gmail for smtp/pop3 and not webmail as myself (nor any other
> google services), you may not be aware of this. I wasn't. Until yesterday.
> I did not knowingly put anyones email address out there. I have since
> changed the passphrase again, and removed everyone from this webmail
> contact list. I will be checking the webmail interface to ensure it's no
> longer creating any contact lists as I never agreed to such a thing and
> really don't consider it a feature in the context in which I'm using Gmail.
>
> I am very sorry this occurred and I have done what I can to prevent it from
> happening again, atleast in so far as my abilities as a non Oper of gmail.
> I take your email addresses and other aspects of privacy very seriously.
>
> Thanks for your time!
>
> Dustin Cook


I've looked every day, Dustin - but nothing yet.

I'm very disappointed that I'm not on your mailing list! :-( <---Joke

Have a great Christmas!

[G. Morgan]

~BD~ wrote:

>I've looked every day, Dustin - but nothing yet.
>
>I'm very disappointed that I'm not on your mailing list! :-( <---Joke
>
>Have a great Christmas!

I'm sure you're on a few of his lists! ;-)

--

"I don't like to discriminate against terrorists based on nationality.
If you declare war on the United States and you want to kill us,
We're going to kill you first, period."

October 19, 2011 - Ali Soufan (Colbert Report)

[Dustin]

"Beauregard T. Shagnasty" <a.nony.mous@example.invalid> wrote in news:jcm27i
$l5f$1@dont-email.me:

> I read my gmail in Thunderbird, POPping and SMTPing through gmail as you
> alluded, and there is no harvesting.

I have found that if you have contacts enabled via the webmail interface and
you send an email via smtp, it'll be added to your contact list. I've also
found that google can't blame me for the security breach as under account
details, the china login method is listed as "Unknown" not web, not pop3. Ho
Ho Ho.


--
Character is doing the right thing when nobody's looking. There are too many
people who think that the only thing that's right is to get by, and the only
thing that's wrong is to get caught. - J.C. Watts