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  1. #1
    Virus Guy Guest

    Mobile =?iso-8859-1?Q?=91Rootkit=92?= Maker Tries to Silence CriticalAndroid Dev

    http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/201...tkit-brouhaha/

    Mobile ‘Rootkit’ Maker Tries to Silence Critical Android Dev
    November 22, 2011

    A data-logging software company is seeking to squash an Android
    developer’s critical research into its software that is secretly
    installed on millions of phones, but Trevor Eckhart is refusing to
    publicly apologize for his research and remove the company’s training
    manuals from his website.

    Though the software is installed on millions of Android, BlackBerry and
    Nokia phones, Carrier IQ was virtually unknown until the 25-year-old
    Eckhart analyzed its workings, recently revealing that the software
    secretly chronicles a user’s phone experience, from its apps, battery
    life and texts. Some carriers prevent users who actually find the
    software from controlling what information is sent.

    http://androidsecuritytest.com/featu...ers/carrieriq/

    Eckhart called the software a “rootkit,” a security term that refers to
    software installed at a low-level on a device, without a user’s consent
    or knowledge in order to secretly intercept the device’s workings.
    Malware such as keyloggers and trojans are two examples.

    He also mirrored the Mountain View, Calif. company’s training manuals
    he’d found on Carrier IQ’s publicly available website. The manuals
    provide a limited roadmap for how Carrier IQ works, Eckhart said in a
    telephone interview.

    When Carrier IQ discovered Eckhart’s recent research and his posting of
    those manuals, Carrier IQ sent him a cease-and-desist notice:

    https://www.eff.org/sites/default/fi...d_redacted.pdf

    saying Eckhart was in breach of copyright law and could face damages of
    as much as $150,000, the maximum allowed under U.S. copyright law per
    violation. The company removed the manuals from its own website, as
    well.

    On Monday, the Electronic Frontier Foundation announced it had came to
    the assistance of the 25-year-old Eckhart of Connecticut, whom Carrier
    IQ claims has breached copyright law for reposting the manuals.

    “I’m mirroring the stuff so other people are able to read this and
    verify my research,” he said. “I’m just a little guy. I’m not doing
    anything malicious.”

    The company is demanding Eckhart retract (.pdf) his “rootkit”
    characterization of the software, which is employed by most major
    carriers, Eckhart said.

    The EFF says Eckhart’s posting of the files is protected by fair use
    under the Copyright Act for criticism, commentary, news reporting and
    research, and that all of Carrier IQ’s claims and demands are
    “baseless.”

    https://www.eff.org/sites/default/fi...d_response.pdf

    Andrew Coward, Carrier IQ’s marketing manager, said in a telephone
    interview Tuesday that the company, not Eckhart, should be in “control”
    of the manuals. “Whatever content we distribute we want to be in
    control of that,” he said. “I think obviously, any company wants to be
    responsible for the information that gets distributed.” He said “legal
    matters” prohibited the 6-year-old company from discussing the Eckhart
    flap further.

    He said the company’s wares are for “gathering information off the
    handset to understand the mobile-user experience, where phone calls are
    dropped, where signal quality is poor, why applications crash and
    battery life.”

    “We’re not looking at texts. We’re counting things. How many texts did
    you send and how many failed. That’s the level of metrics that are being
    gathered,” he said.

    He answered “probably yes” when asked whether the company could read the
    text messages if it wanted.

    Marcia Hofmann, an EFF senior staff attorney, said the civil rights
    group has concluded that “Carrier IQ’s real goal is to suppress
    Eckhart’s research and prevent others from verifying his findings.”

    In a Monday letter to Carrier IQ, Hofmann said Eckhart’s speech was
    protected by the First Amendment.

    What’s more, the company is demanding that Eckhart inform Carrier IQ of
    the names of all persons to which Eckhart has forwarded the training
    material. The company also wants Eckhart to send “written retractions”
    to everybody who has viewed his research in hard copy or on the web.

    Among other things, Carrier IQ insists that Eckhart retract his “root
    kit” characterization of the unremovable software, and other statements,
    by issuing a press release to The Associated Press.

    In 2005, Sony came under fire for installing a rootkit on music CDs.
    Security expert Bruce Schneier wrote then that “The Sony code modifies
    Windows so you can’t tell it’s there, a process called ‘cloaking’ in the
    hacker world. It acts as spyware, surreptitiously sending information
    about you to Sony. And it can’t be removed; trying to get rid of it
    damages Windows.”

    In a letter to Eckhart, Carrier IQ said, “If you do not comply with
    these cease and desist demands within this time period, please be
    advised the Carrier IQ, Inc. will pursue all available legal remedies,
    including seeking monetary damages, injunctive relief, and an order that
    you pay court costs and attorney’s fees.”

    The deadline expired Nov. 18, but so far Carrier IQ has not made good on
    its threats.

  2. #2
    Dustin Guest

    Re: Mobile ‘Rootkit’ Maker Tries to Silence Critical Android Dev

    Virus Guy <Virus@Guy.com> wrote in news:4EDD3259.E3A1ADB3@Guy.com:

    > http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/201...tkit-brouhaha/
    >
    > Mobile ‘Rootkit’ Maker Tries to Silence Critical Android Dev
    > November 22, 2011
    >
    > A data-logging software company is seeking to squash an Android
    > developer’s critical research into its software that is secretly
    > installed on millions of phones, but Trevor Eckhart is refusing to
    > publicly apologize for his research and remove the company’s training
    > manuals from his website.
    >
    > Though the software is installed on millions of Android, BlackBerry and
    > Nokia phones, Carrier IQ was virtually unknown until the 25-year-old
    > Eckhart analyzed its workings, recently revealing that the software
    > secretly chronicles a user’s phone experience, from its apps, battery
    > life and texts. Some carriers prevent users who actually find the
    > software from controlling what information is sent.
    >
    > http://androidsecuritytest.com/featu...oggers/carrier
    > iq/
    >
    > Eckhart called the software a “rootkit,” a security term that refers to
    > software installed at a low-level on a device, without a user’s consent
    > or knowledge in order to secretly intercept the device’s workings.
    > Malware such as keyloggers and trojans are two examples.
    >
    > He also mirrored the Mountain View, Calif. company’s training manuals
    > he’d found on Carrier IQ’s publicly available website. The manuals
    > provide a limited roadmap for how Carrier IQ works, Eckhart said in a
    > telephone interview.
    >
    > When Carrier IQ discovered Eckhart’s recent research and his posting of
    > those manuals, Carrier IQ sent him a cease-and-desist notice:
    >
    > https://www.eff.org/sites/default/fi...t_demand_redac
    > ted.pdf
    >
    > saying Eckhart was in breach of copyright law and could face damages of
    > as much as $150,000, the maximum allowed under U.S. copyright law per
    > violation. The company removed the manuals from its own website, as
    > well.
    >
    > On Monday, the Electronic Frontier Foundation announced it had came to
    > the assistance of the 25-year-old Eckhart of Connecticut, whom Carrier
    > IQ claims has breached copyright law for reposting the manuals.
    >
    > “I’m mirroring the stuff so other people are able to read this and
    > verify my research,” he said. “I’m just a little guy. I’m not doing
    > anything malicious.”
    >
    > The company is demanding Eckhart retract (.pdf) his “rootkit”
    > characterization of the software, which is employed by most major
    > carriers, Eckhart said.
    >
    > The EFF says Eckhart’s posting of the files is protected by fair use
    > under the Copyright Act for criticism, commentary, news reporting and
    > research, and that all of Carrier IQ’s claims and demands are
    > “baseless.”
    >
    > https://www.eff.org/sites/default/fi...d_response.pdf
    >
    > Andrew Coward, Carrier IQ’s marketing manager, said in a telephone
    > interview Tuesday that the company, not Eckhart, should be in “control”
    > of the manuals. “Whatever content we distribute we want to be in
    > control of that,” he said. “I think obviously, any company wants to be
    > responsible for the information that gets distributed.” He said “legal
    > matters” prohibited the 6-year-old company from discussing the Eckhart
    > flap further.
    >
    > He said the company’s wares are for “gathering information off the
    > handset to understand the mobile-user experience, where phone calls are
    > dropped, where signal quality is poor, why applications crash and
    > battery life.”
    >
    > “We’re not looking at texts. We’re counting things. How many texts did
    > you send and how many failed. That’s the level of metrics that are being
    > gathered,” he said.
    >
    > He answered “probably yes” when asked whether the company could read the
    > text messages if it wanted.
    >
    > Marcia Hofmann, an EFF senior staff attorney, said the civil rights
    > group has concluded that “Carrier IQ’s real goal is to suppress
    > Eckhart’s research and prevent others from verifying his findings.”
    >
    > In a Monday letter to Carrier IQ, Hofmann said Eckhart’s speech was
    > protected by the First Amendment.
    >
    > What’s more, the company is demanding that Eckhart inform Carrier IQ of
    > the names of all persons to which Eckhart has forwarded the training
    > material. The company also wants Eckhart to send “written retractions”
    > to everybody who has viewed his research in hard copy or on the web.
    >
    > Among other things, Carrier IQ insists that Eckhart retract his “root
    > kit” characterization of the unremovable software, and other statements,
    > by issuing a press release to The Associated Press.
    >
    > In 2005, Sony came under fire for installing a rootkit on music CDs.
    > Security expert Bruce Schneier wrote then that “The Sony code modifies
    > Windows so you can’t tell it’s there, a process called ‘cloaking’ in the
    > hacker world. It acts as spyware, surreptitiously sending information
    > about you to Sony. And it can’t be removed; trying to get rid of it
    > damages Windows.”
    >
    > In a letter to Eckhart, Carrier IQ said, “If you do not comply with
    > these cease and desist demands within this time period, please be
    > advised the Carrier IQ, Inc. will pursue all available legal remedies,
    > including seeking monetary damages, injunctive relief, and an order that
    > you pay court costs and attorney’s fees.”
    >
    > The deadline expired Nov. 18, but so far Carrier IQ has not made good on
    > its threats.
    >


    Hi Virus Guy..

    Feel free to post any updates to this you find. I'm interested in what
    happens as a result of his research.


    --
    Character is doing the right thing when nobody's looking. There are too
    many people who think that the only thing that's right is to get by, and
    the only thing that's wrong is to get caught. - J.C. Watts

  3. #3
    ~BD~ Guest

    Re: Mobile =?windows-1252?Q?=91Rootkit=92_Maker_Tries_to_?==?windows-1252?Q?Silence_Critical__Android_Dev?=

    Dustin wrote:
    [....]

    > I'm interested in what happens as a result of his research.


    You might find this article helpful:

    http://www.computerworld.com/s/artic...arrier_IQ_gate

  4. #4
    FromTheRafters Guest

    Re: Mobile =?windows-1252?Q?=91Rootkit=92_Maker_Tries_to_?==?windows-1252?Q?Silence_Critical__Android_Dev?=

    Dustin wrote:
    > Virus Guy<Virus@Guy.com> wrote in news:4EDD3259.E3A1ADB3@Guy.com:
    >
    >> http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/201...tkit-brouhaha/
    >>
    >> Mobile ‘Rootkit’ Maker Tries to Silence Critical Android Dev
    >> November 22, 2011
    >>
    >> A data-logging software company is seeking to squash an Android
    >> developer’s critical research into its software that is secretly
    >> installed on millions of phones, but Trevor Eckhart is refusing to
    >> publicly apologize for his research and remove the company’s training
    >> manuals from his website.
    >>
    >> Though the software is installed on millions of Android, BlackBerry and
    >> Nokia phones, Carrier IQ was virtually unknown until the 25-year-old
    >> Eckhart analyzed its workings, recently revealing that the software
    >> secretly chronicles a user’s phone experience, from its apps, battery
    >> life and texts. Some carriers prevent users who actually find the
    >> software from controlling what information is sent.
    >>
    >> http://androidsecuritytest.com/featu...oggers/carrier
    >> iq/
    >>
    >> Eckhart called the software a “rootkit,” a security term that refers to
    >> software installed at a low-level on a device, without a user’s consent
    >> or knowledge in order to secretly intercept the device’s workings.
    >> Malware such as keyloggers and trojans are two examples.
    >>
    >> He also mirrored the Mountain View, Calif. company’s training manuals
    >> he’d found on Carrier IQ’s publicly available website. The manuals
    >> provide a limited roadmap for how Carrier IQ works, Eckhart said in a
    >> telephone interview.
    >>
    >> When Carrier IQ discovered Eckhart’s recent research and his posting of
    >> those manuals, Carrier IQ sent him a cease-and-desist notice:
    >>
    >> https://www.eff.org/sites/default/fi...t_demand_redac
    >> ted.pdf
    >>
    >> saying Eckhart was in breach of copyright law and could face damages of
    >> as much as $150,000, the maximum allowed under U.S. copyright law per
    >> violation. The company removed the manuals from its own website, as
    >> well.
    >>
    >> On Monday, the Electronic Frontier Foundation announced it had came to
    >> the assistance of the 25-year-old Eckhart of Connecticut, whom Carrier
    >> IQ claims has breached copyright law for reposting the manuals.
    >>
    >> “I’m mirroring the stuff so other people are able to read this and
    >> verify my research,” he said. “I’m just a little guy. I’m not doing
    >> anything malicious.”
    >>
    >> The company is demanding Eckhart retract (.pdf) his “rootkit”
    >> characterization of the software, which is employed by most major
    >> carriers, Eckhart said.
    >>
    >> The EFF says Eckhart’s posting of the files is protected by fair use
    >> under the Copyright Act for criticism, commentary, news reporting and
    >> research, and that all of Carrier IQ’s claims and demands are
    >> “baseless.”
    >>
    >> https://www.eff.org/sites/default/fi...d_response.pdf
    >>
    >> Andrew Coward, Carrier IQ’s marketing manager, said in a telephone
    >> interview Tuesday that the company, not Eckhart, should be in “control”
    >> of the manuals. “Whatever content we distribute we want to be in
    >> control of that,” he said. “I think obviously, any company wants to be
    >> responsible for the information that gets distributed.” He said “legal
    >> matters” prohibited the 6-year-old company from discussing the Eckhart
    >> flap further.
    >>
    >> He said the company’s wares are for “gathering information off the
    >> handset to understand the mobile-user experience, where phone calls are
    >> dropped, where signal quality is poor, why applications crash and
    >> battery life.”
    >>
    >> “We’re not looking at texts. We’re counting things. How many texts did
    >> you send and how many failed. That’s the level of metrics that are being
    >> gathered,” he said.
    >>
    >> He answered “probably yes” when asked whether the company could read the
    >> text messages if it wanted.
    >>
    >> Marcia Hofmann, an EFF senior staff attorney, said the civil rights
    >> group has concluded that “Carrier IQ’s real goal is to suppress
    >> Eckhart’s research and prevent others from verifying his findings.”
    >>
    >> In a Monday letter to Carrier IQ, Hofmann said Eckhart’s speech was
    >> protected by the First Amendment.
    >>
    >> What’s more, the company is demanding that Eckhart inform Carrier IQ of
    >> the names of all persons to which Eckhart has forwarded the training
    >> material. The company also wants Eckhart to send “written retractions”
    >> to everybody who has viewed his research in hard copy or on the web.
    >>
    >> Among other things, Carrier IQ insists that Eckhart retract his “root
    >> kit” characterization of the unremovable software, and other statements,
    >> by issuing a press release to The Associated Press.
    >>
    >> In 2005, Sony came under fire for installing a rootkit on music CDs.
    >> Security expert Bruce Schneier wrote then that “The Sony code modifies
    >> Windows so you can’t tell it’s there, a process called ‘cloaking’ in the
    >> hacker world. It acts as spyware, surreptitiously sending information
    >> about you to Sony. And it can’t be removed; trying to get rid of it
    >> damages Windows.”
    >>
    >> In a letter to Eckhart, Carrier IQ said, “If you do not comply with
    >> these cease and desist demands within this time period, please be
    >> advised the Carrier IQ, Inc. will pursue all available legal remedies,
    >> including seeking monetary damages, injunctive relief, and an order that
    >> you pay court costs and attorney’s fees.”
    >>
    >> The deadline expired Nov. 18, but so far Carrier IQ has not made good on
    >> its threats.
    >>

    >
    > Hi Virus Guy..
    >
    > Feel free to post any updates to this you find. I'm interested in what
    > happens as a result of his research.
    >
    >

    https://www.eff.org/sites/default/fi...d_response.pdf

  5. #5
    ~BD~ Guest

    Re: Mobile =?windows-1252?Q?=91Rootkit=92_Maker_Tries_to_?==?windows-1252?Q?Silence_Critical__Android_Dev?=

    On 08/12/2011 16:03, FromTheRafters wrote:
    [....]

    > https://www.eff.org/sites/default/fi...d_response.pdf


    I read that a few days ago. I do admire folk who fight their corner! :-)

    Mr. Eckhart did well - IMO!


  6. #6
    FromTheRafters Guest

    Re: Mobile =?windows-1252?Q?=91Rootkit=92_Maker_Tries_to_?==?windows-1252?Q?Silence_Critical__Android_Dev?=

    ~BD~ wrote:
    > On 08/12/2011 16:03, FromTheRafters wrote:
    > [....]
    >
    >> https://www.eff.org/sites/default/fi...d_response.pdf

    >
    > I read that a few days ago. I do admire folk who fight their corner! :-)
    >
    > Mr. Eckhart did well - IMO!
    >

    They apologized to him. Still, I think his characterization might have
    been a little over the top.



  7. #7
    G. Morgan Guest

    Re: =?utf-8?Q?Mobile_=E2=80=98Rootkit=E2=80=99_?==?utf-8?Q?Maker_Tries_to_Silenc?==?utf-8?Q?e_Critical__Android_D?==?utf-8?Q?ev?=

    FromTheRafters wrote:

    >~BD~ wrote:
    >> On 08/12/2011 16:03, FromTheRafters wrote:
    >> [....]
    >>
    >>> https://www.eff.org/sites/default/fi...d_response.pdf

    >>
    >> I read that a few days ago. I do admire folk who fight their corner! :-)
    >>
    >> Mr. Eckhart did well - IMO!
    >>

    >They apologized to him. Still, I think his characterization might have
    >been a little over the top.


    My Sprint HTC phone is infected with it. Those pricks unrooted it during
    the last OTA update. Now I have to flash it back to pre-update,
    re-root, and install a hacked ROM to get around the keylogger. I turned
    the damn thing off.

    They said I was in a 4-G area, and lied. Their engineers work super-hard
    to disable tethering (a feature of 2.2+) and want an exta $30/mo. to
    enable "hot spot". I told them I don't want to create a ****ing
    "hot-spot", all I want is to have the features of Froyo that are
    built-in. I just have not got myself worked up enough to goto the
    Sprint store to let them "have it". Customer 'support' is useless.

    --

    "I don't like to discriminate against terrorists based on nationality.
    If you declare war on the United States and you want to kill us,
    We're going to kill you first, period."

    October 19, 2011 - Ali Soufan (Colbert Report)



  8. #8
    Bullwinkle. Guest

    =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Mobile_'Rootkit'_Maker_Tries_to_Silence_Cr itical__Andr?==?iso-8859-1?Q?oid_Dev?=

    Skip your meds first, smoke some dope then go.

    You run off at the mouth much more in that state.

    Be sure to sue them like you did a usent poster!


    "G. Morgan" <sealteam6@osama-is-dead.net> wrote in message
    news:u1m2e7543i800d7f8t0sljuh5lfjsh57ao@Osama-is-dead.net...
    I just have not got myself worked up enough to goto the
    Sprint store to let them "have it". Customer 'support' is useless.



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