Dustin wrote:
> ~BD~<~BD~@nomail.afraid.org> wrote in news:j73a2f$u7r$1@dont-email.me:
>
>
>> We interpreted the given information differently, obviously.
>
> You interpreted the information? David, I'm looking at the file you sent
> me. How could you possibly interpret it any other way than as presented?
>
> Why did you send me a jpeg of the conversation anyway? Why not a forwarded
> email with the headers intact? *shrug*

Now I'm puzzled. There never was any email correspondence!

I'm sure I told you that our discussion was in the Private Message
facility of Wilders Security Forums http://www.wilderssecurity.com

If you want to check for yourself exactly what transpired, respond to me
in a civil manner by email. I'll consider providing you with my Username
and password so you can look for yourself at Wilders. (You will probably
say that is unethical! <beg>)

> Fact is, you based your implications on bad information. Tony Klein and
> yourself both did. I was sure to be upfront about my history concerning
> BugHunter, well before I was invited! to come work for malwarebytes.
>
> They researched me, they chose to ask if I was interested. I chose to work
> for them for a period of time. It's as simple as that. I wasn't let go due
> to my past, bad ethics, or difficulty in working with peers. I wasn't "let
> go."

OK - I believe you.

> My ethics have cost me money. I'd rather be upfront and honest with you
> then make a buck selling you a part or service you don't need, or that I
> know isn't really going to help you out for any real length of time. I'll
> provide one measily example for you and the others, as both of you surely
> need an education in manners yourselves...
>
> I received a service call request for a system which isn't running anymore.
> When I got there, I found the gfi had been tripped. I pressed the reset
> button and restored power. Lo and behold, the computer came up fine. Since
> I was there, I verified everything was working as it should be.
>
> When she asked what she owed me, I explained that I couldn't take her money
> for pushing a single button and turning the power back on. Please feel free
> to call me when you do have a problem. This service call was 20 miles one
> way. So I spent 40 miles worth of fuel. In this case, thats 10miles a
> gallon. It was on me. We all know gas isn't cheap, nor is it free. I do
> this in the interest of good customer relations and because I feel I have
> reasonably sound morals and ethics which guide my day to day decision
> making.

Most folk in business cannot take such a stance.

> I've already stated that Malwarebytes knew of my past prior to hiring me.
> It was *not* a factor in my parting ways with the company later on. In
> fact, It is the reason I was hired in the first place.

Alrighty! :-)

> Had I never been involved in VX, I'd have never felt guilty about it, and
> would have never written BugHunter to try and make up for some of the
> damage I caused. If I didn't write BugHunter, Malwarebytes would never have
> noticed me and I would have missed an opportunity of a lifetime.
>
> I got along fine with my peers. I wasn't difficult to get along with and I
> did as I was told. We were never unprofessional towards one another,
> regardless of the situation we found ourselves in. You'd be surprised how
> busy the job of a fulltime researcher really is. It's a very daunting task.

I expect the stress and strain took it's toll.

> I'm very grateful for the time I spent with the company, overall it was a
> great experience. I parted ways with the company on good terms for my own
> reasons which I wont' provide you.

Why not just give a simple and honest answer? I really do not understand
your need to complicate matters, Dustin.

> I still maintain the status of expert on the malwarebytes forum. I have
> held this title since joining the forum, several years before I became an
> employee. Few know this, but another of my job titles and duties was that
> of antipiracy. Head, of antipiracy.
>
> Those persons who've been caught using keygens, yes.. it's my fault. Had
> they implemented the entire system as I suggested, you wouldn't be
> keygenning it again. (Nothing malicious) Just a mathematically sound way of
> denying registered only features unless you really are a registered user
> with a valid, non keygen key. But, they're more lenient than I, and that
> was voted down. This is a step up from what they originally did tho.
>
> Just so you know tho, they could easily implement the entire system;
> nothing is preventing them from doing so except them. It would ensure
> registered copies are (a) paid for or (b) running patched executables
> (which can be checked too. lol). The internet is a double edged sword and
> apps which rely on it for data updates.. well... Pir8ting isn't what it
> used to be.

I've never been involved in 'pir8ting'!

> Tony and yourself speculated about me, You brought up my past activities,
> because *I* chose to fully disclose who I was and what I was up to. I
> *never* really had to do that. Prior to you telling him, He didn't even
> know anything about it. Hmm..

Ah!

You are not as well known in security circles as you thought, eh?!! ;-)

> I could have written and released BugHunter under an assumed name and
> nobody would have been the wiser. We wouldn't even be having this
> conversation if you didn't know I was Raid.
>
> You're so damn desperate to get me to help you tho, you're willing to try
> anything to accomplish it. The methods you've used to solicit my help have
> all failed, David. Due to your methods and your methods alone, I will NOT
> EVER intentionally help you to cause misery to anyone else.

You know in your heart that BD has never wanted to 'cause misery' to
anyone, Dustin. Some here (on SE anyway) have had ... ummm ... 'reason
to fear' law enforcement agencies, of various kinds - quite the opposite
of me. In fact, at times in my past I *was* the law! :-)