Couple Can Sue Laptop-Tracking Company (LoJack) for Spying on Sex Chats

[G. Morgan]

David H. Lipman wrote:

>From: "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org>
>
>> On Fri, 02 Sep 2011 18:50:54 -0400, Dustin <bughunter.dustin@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Oh, and switching to linux still ****s you, when the optionrom2 calls
>>> home on your internet connection and finds out she's stolen. Which it
>>> will do, when it cannot drop the exe file. LOL. Whan happens next is a
>>
>> If it's using a windows executable, to phone home, that won't work.
>>
>> From
>> http://blog.lojackforlaptops.com/201...-is-recovered/
>>
>> Kelly@Absolute says:
>> July 7, 2011 at 9:02 pm
>> LoJack would not work in a Linux environment.
>>
>>> bios lockdown. IE: no more booting till your system gets an internet
>>> connection and an OK from them. The only way around is a hotswap bios
>>> reflash then.
>>
>> Are you saying the option rom can establish an internet connection
>> before the operating system boots?
>>
>
>Hmmmmm.....
>
>If it is embedded it may be possible. What if you install a different NIC ? There is NO
>WAY the any BIOS routine would be able to communicate with it.

Unless it refuses to give an IRQ to any device in the FCC database that
is a NIC.

[David H. Lipman]

From: "G. Morgan" <G_Morgan@easy.com>

>>
>> Hmmmmm.....
>>
>> If it is embedded it may be possible. What if you install a different NIC ? There is
>> NO
>> WAY the any BIOS routine would be able to communicate with it.
>
> Unless it refuses to give an IRQ to any device in the FCC database that
> is a NIC.
>
>

???


--
Dave
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[G. Morgan]

David H. Lipman wrote:

>From: "G. Morgan" <G_Morgan@easy.com>
>
>>>
>>> Hmmmmm.....
>>>
>>> If it is embedded it may be possible. What if you install a different NIC ? There is
>>> NO
>>> WAY the any BIOS routine would be able to communicate with it.
>>
>> Unless it refuses to give an IRQ to any device in the FCC database that
>> is a NIC.
>>
>>
>
>???

I was actually thinking of the PCI database. But the FCC has one too on
NIC's.

http://www.pcidatabase.com/search.ph...ice_search.y=0

Wouldn't LoJack be able to recognize a NIC in this manner and still work
on Linux?

[Dustin]

G. Morgan <G_Morgan@easy.com> wrote in
news:mrk367ls6vh2qhorf7b7j0igjpdldqcjb7@Osama-is-dead.net:

> I was actually thinking of the PCI database. But the FCC has one
> too on NIC's.
>
> http://www.pcidatabase.com/search.ph...=4315&device_s
> earch.x=0&device_search.y=0
>
> Wouldn't LoJack be able to recognize a NIC in this manner and still
> work on Linux?

It can't drop the exe on linux. So, it will try one of two things: Wait
for your net to get hot and try to call home; using optionrom2 code base.
Failing that, it will bios lock the system until it's got the OK to
proceed. Either way, you have a paperweight for a laptop.


--
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Hold my prayers upto the sun
I am a sinner
Heaven's closed for what I've done.

[David H. Lipman]

From: "Dustin" <bughunter.dustin@gmail.com>

> G. Morgan <G_Morgan@easy.com> wrote in
> news:mrk367ls6vh2qhorf7b7j0igjpdldqcjb7@Osama-is-dead.net:
>
>> I was actually thinking of the PCI database. But the FCC has one
>> too on NIC's.
>>
>> http://www.pcidatabase.com/search.ph...=4315&device_s
>> earch.x=0&device_search.y=0
>>
>> Wouldn't LoJack be able to recognize a NIC in this manner and still
>> work on Linux?
>
> It can't drop the exe on linux. So, it will try one of two things: Wait
> for your net to get hot and try to call home; using optionrom2 code base.
> Failing that, it will bios lock the system until it's got the OK to
> proceed. Either way, you have a paperweight for a laptop.
>

Ahhhh....
If can't phone home, how would it know it was stolen ?



--
Dave
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http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp

[Dustin]

"David H. Lipman" <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> wrote in
news:j3tu550jo2@news2.newsguy.com:

> From: "Dustin" <bughunter.dustin@gmail.com>
>
>> G. Morgan <G_Morgan@easy.com> wrote in
>> news:mrk367ls6vh2qhorf7b7j0igjpdldqcjb7@Osama-is-dead.net:
>>
>>> I was actually thinking of the PCI database. But the FCC has one
>>> too on NIC's.
>>>
>>> http://www.pcidatabase.com/search.ph...tr=4315&device
>>> _s earch.x=0&device_search.y=0
>>>
>>> Wouldn't LoJack be able to recognize a NIC in this manner and
>>> still work on Linux?
>>
>> It can't drop the exe on linux. So, it will try one of two things:
>> Wait for your net to get hot and try to call home; using optionrom2
>> code base. Failing that, it will bios lock the system until it's
>> got the OK to proceed. Either way, you have a paperweight for a
>> laptop.
>>
>
> Ahhhh....
> If can't phone home, how would it know it was stolen ?

Well, the thing is, if you never let it phone home; it assumes the
worst and bios locks you anyway. It has to be able to check in every so
often or you lose access until it is allowed to do so.


--
I am a sinner
Hold my prayers upto the sun
I am a sinner
Heaven's closed for what I've done.

[David H. Lipman]

From: "Dustin" <bughunter.dustin@gmail.com>

> "David H. Lipman" <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> wrote in
> news:j3tu550jo2@news2.newsguy.com:
>
>> From: "Dustin" <bughunter.dustin@gmail.com>
>>
>>> G. Morgan <G_Morgan@easy.com> wrote in
>>> news:mrk367ls6vh2qhorf7b7j0igjpdldqcjb7@Osama-is-dead.net:
>>>
>>>> I was actually thinking of the PCI database. But the FCC has one
>>>> too on NIC's.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.pcidatabase.com/search.ph...tr=4315&device
>>>> _s earch.x=0&device_search.y=0
>>>>
>>>> Wouldn't LoJack be able to recognize a NIC in this manner and
>>>> still work on Linux?
>>>
>>> It can't drop the exe on linux. So, it will try one of two things:
>>> Wait for your net to get hot and try to call home; using optionrom2
>>> code base. Failing that, it will bios lock the system until it's
>>> got the OK to proceed. Either way, you have a paperweight for a
>>> laptop.
>>>
>>
>> Ahhhh....
>> If can't phone home, how would it know it was stolen ?
>
> Well, the thing is, if you never let it phone home; it assumes the
> worst and bios locks you anyway. It has to be able to check in every so
> often or you lose access until it is allowed to do so.
>

It can't do that.
It may be used w/o Internet access.
It may be used on a closed network.
It may be used as a tool or lab device.

For those reasons, and there may be more, it can't be utilized in an assumption if it
can't phone home it will lock you out. Thus, I don't believe it to be true.



--
Dave
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[Peter Foldes]

"G. Morgan" <G_Morgan@easy.com> wrote in message
news:0c53671k4a0mlnmfmea9gvrgj71vfu2etk@Osama-is-dead.net...
> David H. Lipman wrote:


> Unless it refuses to give an IRQ to any device in the FCC database that
> is a NIC.
>


What are you saying with the above Morgan. Makes no sense here

JS