Couple Can Sue Laptop-Tracking Company (LoJack) for Spying on Sex Chats

[FromTheRafters]

"David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 31 Aug 2011 20:34:16 -0400, FromTheRafters <erratic.howard@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I still think it is a good thing for retrieving a stolen laptop.
>
> Giving control of your pc to a company, and trusting all of their
> employees? I don't think so.
>
> It isn't hardware based, so it can be removed if the thief, realizes
> it's there, or reformats, but there is freeware to allow you to do
> the same thing, yourself.
>
> http://preyproject.com/

This one does involve hardware in cooperation with certain
manufacturing partners.

Absolute

http://blog.lojackforlaptops.com/201...-is-recovered/

[David W. Hodgins]

On Thu, 01 Sep 2011 10:13:38 -0400, FromTheRafters <erratic.howard@gmail.com> wrote:

> This one does involve hardware in cooperation with certain
> manufacturing partners.

> Absolute
> http://blog.lojackforlaptops.com/201...-is-recovered/

From the above site "LoJack would not work in a Linux environment".

Regards, Dave Hodgins

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[David H. Lipman]

From: "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org>

> On Thu, 01 Sep 2011 10:13:38 -0400, FromTheRafters <erratic.howard@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> This one does involve hardware in cooperation with certain
>> manufacturing partners.
>
>> Absolute
>> http://blog.lojackforlaptops.com/201...-is-recovered/
>
> From the above site "LoJack would not work in a Linux environment".
>
> Regards, Dave Hodgins

Dustin has researched and analyzed this a bit but I wonder how much is "hard coded".
For example if Windows is reinstalled and executed from the "D:" drive instead of "C:"
would that thwart LoJack ?

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[Dustin]

"David H. Lipman" <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> wrote in
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> From: "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org>
>
>> On Thu, 01 Sep 2011 10:13:38 -0400, FromTheRafters
>> <erratic.howard@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> This one does involve hardware in cooperation with certain
>>> manufacturing partners.
>>
>>> Absolute
>>> http://blog.lojackforlaptops.com/201...pays%e2%80%94l
>>> aptop-with-wiped-drive-is-recovered/
>>
>> From the above site "LoJack would not work in a Linux
>> environment".
>>
>> Regards, Dave Hodgins
>
> Dustin has researched and analyzed this a bit but I wonder how much
> is "hard coded". For example if Windows is reinstalled and executed
> from the "D:" drive instead of "C:" would that thwart LoJack ?

No. You load windows, you're lojacked again. You either modd the bios,
or switch to linux.




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[Dustin]

Dustin <bughunter.dustin@gmail.com> wrote in
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> "David H. Lipman" <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> wrote in
> news:j3oign0167g@news3.newsguy.com:
>
>> From: "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org>
>>
>>> On Thu, 01 Sep 2011 10:13:38 -0400, FromTheRafters
>>> <erratic.howard@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> This one does involve hardware in cooperation with certain
>>>> manufacturing partners.
>>>
>>>> Absolute
>>>> http://blog.lojackforlaptops.com/201...ce-pays%e2%80%
94l
>>>> aptop-with-wiped-drive-is-recovered/
>>>
>>> From the above site "LoJack would not work in a Linux
>>> environment".
>>>
>>> Regards, Dave Hodgins
>>
>> Dustin has researched and analyzed this a bit but I wonder how much
>> is "hard coded". For example if Windows is reinstalled and executed
>> from the "D:" drive instead of "C:" would that thwart LoJack ?
>
> No. You load windows, you're lojacked again. You either modd the
bios,
> or switch to linux.

Oh, and switching to linux still ****s you, when the optionrom2 calls
home on your internet connection and finds out she's stolen. Which it
will do, when it cannot drop the exe file. LOL. Whan happens next is a
bios lockdown. IE: no more booting till your system gets an internet
connection and an OK from them. The only way around is a hotswap bios
reflash then.


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[David W. Hodgins]

On Fri, 02 Sep 2011 18:50:54 -0400, Dustin <bughunter.dustin@gmail.com> wrote:

> Oh, and switching to linux still ****s you, when the optionrom2 calls
> home on your internet connection and finds out she's stolen. Which it
> will do, when it cannot drop the exe file. LOL. Whan happens next is a

If it's using a windows executable, to phone home, that won't work.

From
http://blog.lojackforlaptops.com/201...-is-recovered/

Kelly@Absolute says:
July 7, 2011 at 9:02 pm
LoJack would not work in a Linux environment.

> bios lockdown. IE: no more booting till your system gets an internet
> connection and an OK from them. The only way around is a hotswap bios
> reflash then.

Are you saying the option rom can establish an internet connection
before the operating system boots?

Regards, Dave Hodgins

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[David H. Lipman]

From: "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org>

> On Fri, 02 Sep 2011 18:50:54 -0400, Dustin <bughunter.dustin@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Oh, and switching to linux still ****s you, when the optionrom2 calls
>> home on your internet connection and finds out she's stolen. Which it
>> will do, when it cannot drop the exe file. LOL. Whan happens next is a
>
> If it's using a windows executable, to phone home, that won't work.
>
> From
> http://blog.lojackforlaptops.com/201...-is-recovered/
>
> Kelly@Absolute says:
> July 7, 2011 at 9:02 pm
> LoJack would not work in a Linux environment.
>
>> bios lockdown. IE: no more booting till your system gets an internet
>> connection and an OK from them. The only way around is a hotswap bios
>> reflash then.
>
> Are you saying the option rom can establish an internet connection
> before the operating system boots?
>

Hmmmmm.....

If it is embedded it may be possible. What if you install a different NIC ? There is NO
WAY the any BIOS routine would be able to communicate with it.



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[Dustin]

"David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> wrote in
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> On Fri, 02 Sep 2011 18:50:54 -0400, Dustin
> <bughunter.dustin@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Oh, and switching to linux still ****s you, when the optionrom2
>> calls home on your internet connection and finds out she's stolen.
>> Which it will do, when it cannot drop the exe file. LOL. Whan
>> happens next is a
>
> If it's using a windows executable, to phone home, that won't work.

You seem to be missing something important. It can use the windows
executable, but in the event it cannot drop it in a specified amount of
time, it halts the boot process.

> Are you saying the option rom can establish an internet connection
> before the operating system boots?

I'm not only saying that, but, being as I've extracted a viable sample of
the option rom and have since learned how to remove it, I *know* the
company is lying about the products limitations and abilities.


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