Couple Can Sue Laptop-Tracking Company (LoJack) for Spying on Sex Chats

[~BD~]

Dustin wrote:
> Jenn<me@fakee..mail.com> wrote in news:j3mh2s$aak$1@dont-email.me:
>
>> On 8/31/2011 5:11 PM, FromTheRafters wrote:
>>> "Dustin"<bughunter.dustin@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:Xns9F52A6126389AHHI2948AJD832@no...
>>>> VanguardLH<V@nguard.LH> wrote in
>>>> news:j3kjn4$rs$1@news.albasani.net:
>>>>
>>>>> And, of course, it's always such a smart idea to leave the OS and
>>>>> apps and data files in place on any used computer rather than
>>>>> flatten and rebuild. Hmm, wonder what her excuse will be if they
>>>>> happen to find kiddie porn on the laptop.
>>>>
>>>> Vanguard, You can flatten and rebuild a lojacked system all day
>>>> long, it's still going to be lojacked when you reload windows. [g]
>>>
>>> Would it only persist if it was reloaded with the same OS
>>> that it was originally installed to work with? Like if it came
>>> with XP pro and you wiped it and loaded Vista would it only
>>> have limited functionality or is it capable of upgrading with
>>> the new OS when it phones home?
>>>
>>>
>> Interesting thread... My laptop came with a Lo-jack CD. After
>> reading all the discussions so far, I'm wondering what the consensus
>> is as far as loading the Lo-jack program onto my laptop?
>
> Once you use that cd, you're laptop bios will have an optionrom added
> to it. You keep paying the fees, you can probably get the laptop back
> if it's ever stolen. Unless it comes to someone who knows lojack well,
> then, really, you wasted your money.
>
> You will be modifying your laptop when you do this, and if the software
> ever ****s up, it has full control, you can lose access to your files,
> and access to the laptop. You also will be placing trust into
> computrace (canadian company) not to spy on you, as they can whenever
> they like.
>
>

Some customers think it's magic! :-)

http://www.absolute.com/en/lojackfor...s/reviews.aspx

[Dustin]

G. Morgan <G_Morgan@easy.com> wrote in
news:ni3g671ke1higu7tbuo80pte43rjc9t4h5@Osama-is-dead.net:

> Hmmm. Are you going to reveal everything you have learned about the
> code here? I'd be interested in your findings.

Nope. If I decide to compile my notes into something techie readable,
it'll go on the site where everybody hangs out and disects these little
baddies. Oh wait... you don't know the site eh? LOL.


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[Dustin]

~BD~ <~BD~@nomail.afraid.org> wrote in
news:j4acu4$tmh$1@dont-email.me:

> Some customers think it's magic! :-)

Yes, those who don't understand electronics and computers all think it's
magical. Same with those who think a SysOp has anything to do with IRC.
Or, the idiot anonymous remailer. Same thing. End result=stupid ****ers.


--
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Hold my prayers upto the sun
I am a sinner
Heaven's closed for what I've done.

[~BD~]

Dustin wrote:
> ~BD~<~BD~@nomail.afraid.org> wrote in
> news:j4acu4$tmh$1@dont-email.me:
>
>> Some customers think it's magic! :-)
>
> Yes, those who don't understand electronics and computers all think it's
> magical. Same with those who think a SysOp has anything to do with IRC.
> Or, the idiot anonymous remailer. Same thing. End result=stupid ****ers.
>
>

They are the ones who pay your wages! :-)

[G. Morgan]

Dustin wrote:

>G. Morgan <G_Morgan@easy.com> wrote in
>news:ni3g671ke1higu7tbuo80pte43rjc9t4h5@Osama-is-dead.net:
>
>> Hmmm. Are you going to reveal everything you have learned about the
>> code here? I'd be interested in your findings.
>
>Nope. If I decide to compile my notes into something techie readable,
>it'll go on the site where everybody hangs out and disects these little
>baddies. Oh wait... you don't know the site eh? LOL.

No Dustin, I don't know where the blackhats hang out. You got me there!
I also don't know where the NAMBLA meetings are, do tell.

[Dustin]

G. Morgan <G_Morgan@easy.com> wrote in
news:ljhi67l3sq3kb2r7u9jinnbg3prd75okqh@Osama-is-dead.net:

> Dustin wrote:
>
>>G. Morgan <G_Morgan@easy.com> wrote in
>>news:ni3g671ke1higu7tbuo80pte43rjc9t4h5@Osama-is-dead.net:
>>
>>> Hmmm. Are you going to reveal everything you have learned about
>>> the code here? I'd be interested in your findings.
>>
>>Nope. If I decide to compile my notes into something techie
>>readable, it'll go on the site where everybody hangs out and disects
>>these little baddies. Oh wait... you don't know the site eh? LOL.
>
> No Dustin, I don't know where the blackhats hang out. You got me

blackhats? Nice inferrence, but no. Not hardly. It's a meeting place
for antivirus and antimalware researchers. An invite only club, and to
get an invite, someone else already well known has to vouch for you.
ALL the big players have members in this club. No blackhats, just the
people who do the malware research for the purposes of good.

If I was anywhere near the person the remailer wants you to think I am
(and obviously you don't do much of that, thinking.. independently), I
couldn't be in that association. [g] I am tho, even tho I've been an
independent researcher for two years now.

Now, I've been more than cool with you dude, I've tried to apologise
for being an ******* when it wasn't necessary. but no more.



--
I am a sinner
Hold my prayers upto the sun
I am a sinner
Heaven's closed for what I've done.

[Dustin]

~BD~ <~BD~@nomail.afraid.org> wrote in
news:j4bblo$np4$1@dont-email.me:

> Dustin wrote:
>> ~BD~<~BD~@nomail.afraid.org> wrote in
>> news:j4acu4$tmh$1@dont-email.me:
>>
>>> Some customers think it's magic! :-)
>>
>> Yes, those who don't understand electronics and computers all think
>> it's magical. Same with those who think a SysOp has anything to do
>> with IRC. Or, the idiot anonymous remailer. Same thing. End
>> result=stupid ****ers.
>>
>>
>
> They are the ones who pay your wages! :-)

LOL. Yes, They pay G. Morgans too. Likely many others. Fact is, without
dumbasses like you, my services and his wouldn't be needed.




--
I am a sinner
Hold my prayers upto the sun
I am a sinner
Heaven's closed for what I've done.

[FromTheRafters]

"G. Morgan" <G_Morgan@easy.com> wrote in message
news:ljhi67l3sq3kb2r7u9jinnbg3prd75okqh@Osama-is-dead.net...
> Dustin wrote:
>
>>G. Morgan <G_Morgan@easy.com> wrote in
>>news:ni3g671ke1higu7tbuo80pte43rjc9t4h5@Osama-is-dead.net:
>>
>>> Hmmm. Are you going to reveal everything you have learned about the
>>> code here? I'd be interested in your findings.
>>
>>Nope. If I decide to compile my notes into something techie readable,
>>it'll go on the site where everybody hangs out and disects these little
>>baddies. Oh wait... you don't know the site eh? LOL.
>
> No Dustin, I don't know where the blackhats hang out. You got me there!
> I also don't know where the NAMBLA meetings are, do tell.

I think you've got it kinda backwards. These things get dissected in
the manner BD had asked about. Remember when he asked how
anyone would know if a purportedly 'good' program had some other
hidden nefarious purpose? The answer was that there are people
that investigate such things and it is inevitable that such ulterior
purpose would be discovered.

Sometimes a blackhat mentality is needed to see how a program
such as LoJack for Laptops can be defeated or worse subverted
and to warn the public about the possibility before anyone actually
puts exploits ITW. You probably won't see many "programmers"
are able to do this, but many "coders" are for sure. Fighting fire
with fire so to speak.

He's talking about the "good guys", not the blackhats, in his above
reference.

[David H. Lipman]

From: "FromTheRafters" <erratic.howard@gmail.com>

> "G. Morgan" <G_Morgan@easy.com> wrote in message news:ljhi67l3sq3kb2r7u9jinnbg3prd75okqh@Osama-is-dead.net...
>> Dustin wrote:
>>
>>> G. Morgan <G_Morgan@easy.com> wrote in
>>> news:ni3g671ke1higu7tbuo80pte43rjc9t4h5@Osama-is-dead.net:
>>>
>>>> Hmmm. Are you going to reveal everything you have learned about the
>>>> code here? I'd be interested in your findings.
>>>
>>> Nope. If I decide to compile my notes into something techie readable,
>>> it'll go on the site where everybody hangs out and disects these little
>>> baddies. Oh wait... you don't know the site eh? LOL.
>>
>> No Dustin, I don't know where the blackhats hang out. You got me there!
>> I also don't know where the NAMBLA meetings are, do tell.
>
> I think you've got it kinda backwards. These things get dissected in
> the manner BD had asked about. Remember when he asked how
> anyone would know if a purportedly 'good' program had some other
> hidden nefarious purpose? The answer was that there are people
> that investigate such things and it is inevitable that such ulterior
> purpose would be discovered.
>
> Sometimes a blackhat mentality is needed to see how a program
> such as LoJack for Laptops can be defeated or worse subverted
> and to warn the public about the possibility before anyone actually
> puts exploits ITW. You probably won't see many "programmers"
> are able to do this, but many "coders" are for sure. Fighting fire
> with fire so to speak.
>
> He's talking about the "good guys", not the blackhats, in his above
> reference.

Aka; Whitehats and ethical hacking.


--
Dave
Multi-AV Scanning Tool - http://multi-av.thespykiller.co.uk
http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp

[Dustin]

"David H. Lipman" <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> wrote in
news:j4bmu10dif@news2.newsguy.com:

> From: "FromTheRafters" <erratic.howard@gmail.com>
>
>> "G. Morgan" <G_Morgan@easy.com> wrote in message
>> news:ljhi67l3sq3kb2r7u9jinnbg3prd75okqh@Osama-is-dead.net...
>>> Dustin wrote:
>>>
>>>> G. Morgan <G_Morgan@easy.com> wrote in
>>>> news:ni3g671ke1higu7tbuo80pte43rjc9t4h5@Osama-is-dead.net:
>>>>
>>>>> Hmmm. Are you going to reveal everything you have learned about
>>>>> the code here? I'd be interested in your findings.
>>>>
>>>> Nope. If I decide to compile my notes into something techie
>>>> readable, it'll go on the site where everybody hangs out and
>>>> disects these little baddies. Oh wait... you don't know the site
>>>> eh? LOL.
>>>
>>> No Dustin, I don't know where the blackhats hang out. You got me
>>> there! I also don't know where the NAMBLA meetings are, do tell.
>>
>> I think you've got it kinda backwards. These things get dissected
>> in the manner BD had asked about. Remember when he asked how
>> anyone would know if a purportedly 'good' program had some other
>> hidden nefarious purpose? The answer was that there are people
>> that investigate such things and it is inevitable that such
>> ulterior purpose would be discovered.
>>
>> Sometimes a blackhat mentality is needed to see how a program
>> such as LoJack for Laptops can be defeated or worse subverted
>> and to warn the public about the possibility before anyone actually
>> puts exploits ITW. You probably won't see many "programmers"
>> are able to do this, but many "coders" are for sure. Fighting fire
>> with fire so to speak.
>>
>> He's talking about the "good guys", not the blackhats, in his above
>> reference.
>
> Aka; Whitehats and ethical hacking.

He has no clue. He's got his opinions of me well formed. His loss.


--
I am a sinner
Hold my prayers upto the sun
I am a sinner
Heaven's closed for what I've done.