Juergen Nieveler wrote:
>
>G. Morgan <G_Morgan@easy.com> wrote:
>
>>> Hmm, wonder what her excuse will be if they happen to find
>>>kiddie porn on the laptop.
>>
>> I think she can claim stupid in that case, why would a 52 y/o woman be
>> into CP?
>
>What makes this sound unrealistic to you, the age or the fact she's a
>woman?
Both, I guess. I've never seen a woman show up on "To Catch a Predator"
on NBC.
FromTheRafters wrote:
>
>"David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> wrote in message
>newsp.v03yddzwa3w0dxdave@hodgins.homeip.net...
>> On Wed, 31 Aug 2011 18:11:30 -0400, FromTheRafters <erratic.howard@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Would it only persist if it was reloaded with the same OS
>>
>> It's a rootkit in bios that will reinstall itself in any windows system.
>>
>> I don't know if it would damage a linux installation, or not. It
>> definitely wouldn't work though.
>
>That's one of the good things about Linux. When a Windows
>system OS is identified you be be very sure that certain
>programs are there. You can know what editors are being
>used, what browser in most cases, even what library files
>are there. With Linux, all you can be sure of is that there is
>a penguin graphic somewhere.
Doesn't matter what O/S, they can halt the boot process before it even
gets to the OS loader.
["Followup-To:" header set to alt.computer.security.]
On 2011-09-01, FromTheRafters <erratic.howard@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries" <rhondaleakirk@earthling.net> wrote in message
> news:j3nlei$ce$2@news.datemas.de...
>> FromTheRafters wrote:
>>> "G. Morgan" <G_Morgan@easy.com> wrote in message
>>> news:vv4r57piudgb7r0n0oquauegbv9hrs8khb@Osama-is-dead.net...
>>>> http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/201...ed-for-spying/
>>>>
>>>> "The case revolves around a laptop that Clemens-Jeffrey, a substitute
>>>> teacher, bought from one of her students in 2008.
>>>>
>>>> The laptop belonged to Clark County School District in Ohio, and had
>>>> been stolen from one of its students in April 2008. Another student
>>>> at Kiefer Alternative School subsequently purchased the laptop at a
>>>> bus station for $40, even though he suspected it was stolen, and
>>>> turned around and offered it to Clements-Jeffrey for $60.
>>>>
>>>> Clements-Jeffrey, who was a long-term substitute teacher at Kiefer,
>>>> says the student told her his aunt and uncle had given him the
>>>> laptop, but that he no longer needed it after getting a new one. She
>>>> asserts she had no idea the computer was stolen
>>>>
>>>> Clements-Jeffrey, described in court papers as a 52-year-old widow,
>>>> had recently renewed a romance with her high school sweetheart,
>>>> Carlton Smith, who lived in Boston. In the course of their
>>>> courtship, she exchanged sexually explicit email and instant
>>>> messages with her beau, using the computer she had just purchased.
>>>>
>>>> What she didn't know was that Clark County School District, which
>>>> legally owned the laptop, had purchased Absolute's theft recovery
>>>> service, which includes the installation of its remote-recovery
>>>> software LoJack, onto client computers. The system gives Absolute
>>>> employees remote access to a stolen computer and allows them to
>>>> record and intercept any data from the machine."
>>>
>>> I don't think that the "I didn't know that it was stolen" defense is
>>> gonna fly.
>>
>> It already did fly. The charges were dropped because it flew.
>
> The charges were dropped, so I assume it wasn't ever presented in court.
>
> The charges were dropped is not the same as being found innocent
> of a charge, they probably just didn't want to persue it.
Lets see, the police did not charge you last night for murder. That does
not mean that you are innocent.
Charges get dropped because the prosecution does not think that they
will get a conviction. Which means that the person IS innocent. One of
the key features of the rule of law in common law countries is that you
are innocent until you are proven guilty. Since she was not proven
guilty, she IS innocent.
>
>> The issue now is something entirely different, and she has a good chance of
>> winning.
>
> Right, now she is not the defendant and the charge is not stolen property.
>
> I suspect they will be found guilty because of how they handled the information
> rather than how they gained it.
It is a civil suit. It is not a matter of innocence or guilt, but of
whether or not they inflicted damage.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Well then there must not be any if NBC did not show any.
Jeez,
"G. Morgan" <G_Morgan@easy.com> wrote in message
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Juergen Nieveler wrote:
>
Both, I guess. I've never seen a woman show up on "To Catch a Predator"
on NBC.
On Thu, 01 Sep 2011 10:13:38 -0400, FromTheRafters <erratic.howard@gmail.com> wrote:
> This one does involve hardware in cooperation with certain
> manufacturing partners.
> Absolute
> http://blog.lojackforlaptops.com/201...-is-recovered/
From the above site "LoJack would not work in a Linux environment".
Regards, Dave Hodgins
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"Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries" <rhondaleakirk@earthling.net> wrote in message
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> FromTheRafters wrote:
>> "Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries" <rhondaleakirk@earthling.net> wrote in message
>> news:j3nlei$ce$2@news.datemas.de...
>>> FromTheRafters wrote:
>>>> "G. Morgan" <G_Morgan@easy.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:vv4r57piudgb7r0n0oquauegbv9hrs8khb@Osama-is-dead.net...
>>>>> http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/201...ed-for-spying/
>>>>>
>>>>> "The case revolves around a laptop that Clemens-Jeffrey, a
>>>>> substitute teacher, bought from one of her students in 2008.
>>>>>
>>>>> The laptop belonged to Clark County School District in Ohio, and
>>>>> had been stolen from one of its students in April 2008. Another
>>>>> student at Kiefer Alternative School subsequently purchased the
>>>>> laptop at a bus station for $40, even though he suspected it was
>>>>> stolen, and turned around and offered it to Clements-Jeffrey for
>>>>> $60. Clements-Jeffrey, who was a long-term substitute teacher at Kiefer,
>>>>> says the student told her his aunt and uncle had given him the
>>>>> laptop, but that he no longer needed it after getting a new one.
>>>>> She asserts she had no idea the computer was stolen
>>>>>
>>>>> Clements-Jeffrey, described in court papers as a 52-year-old widow,
>>>>> had recently renewed a romance with her high school sweetheart,
>>>>> Carlton Smith, who lived in Boston. In the course of their
>>>>> courtship, she exchanged sexually explicit email and instant
>>>>> messages with her beau, using the computer she had just purchased.
>>>>>
>>>>> What she didn't know was that Clark County School District, which
>>>>> legally owned the laptop, had purchased Absolute's theft recovery
>>>>> service, which includes the installation of its remote-recovery
>>>>> software LoJack, onto client computers. The system gives Absolute
>>>>> employees remote access to a stolen computer and allows them to
>>>>> record and intercept any data from the machine."
>>>>
>>>> I don't think that the "I didn't know that it was stolen" defense is
>>>> gonna fly.
>>>
>>> It already did fly. The charges were dropped because it flew.
>>
>> The charges were dropped, so I assume it wasn't ever presented in
>> court.
>
> Exactly. The prosecutor has to believe s/he actually has a case to present for
> a case to go forward.
Or the aggrieved (the school) declines to pursue charges.
>> The charges were dropped is not the same as being found innocent
>> of a charge, they probably just didn't want to persue it.
>
> Actually, people aren't found innocent. They are found "not guilty."
True, they are assumed innocent until proven otherwise.
[...]
> On the other hand, having the charges dropped often means the case was a
> non-starter.
Often. Also sometimes a PR move on the part of the complainant.
Bring charges to teach them a lesson, drop them for PR purposes.
[...]
"G. Morgan" <G_Morgan@easy.com> wrote in message
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> FromTheRafters wrote:
>
>>
>>"David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> wrote in message
>>news
>>> On Wed, 31 Aug 2011 18:11:30 -0400, FromTheRafters
>>> <erratic.howard@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Would it only persist if it was reloaded with the same OS
>>>
>>> It's a rootkit in bios that will reinstall itself in any windows system.
>>>
>>> I don't know if it would damage a linux installation, or not. It
>>> definitely wouldn't work though.
>>
>>That's one of the good things about Linux. When a Windows
>>system OS is identified you be be very sure that certain
>>programs are there. You can know what editors are being
>>used, what browser in most cases, even what library files
>>are there. With Linux, all you can be sure of is that there is
>>a penguin graphic somewhere.
>
>
> Doesn't matter what O/S, they can halt the boot process before it even
> gets to the OS loader.
>
Yes, I wasn't speaking specifically to this case with the above comment.
"David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> wrote in message
news
> On Wed, 31 Aug 2011 20:34:16 -0400, FromTheRafters <erratic.howard@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I still think it is a good thing for retrieving a stolen laptop.
>
> Giving control of your pc to a company, and trusting all of their
> employees? I don't think so.
>
> It isn't hardware based, so it can be removed if the thief, realizes
> it's there, or reformats, but there is freeware to allow you to do
> the same thing, yourself.
>
> http://preyproject.com/
Further on this from their FAQ:
Q) What happens if I flash my BIOS? Will I need to reinstall the software?
A) No. If the Persistence Module in the BIOS has been enabled, the self-healing
capability will repair the Agent software and your computer will still be
protected. The enable/disable state of the Persistence Module is stored in a
part of the BIOS that cannot be flashed to remove it.
http://www.absolute.com/Shared/FAQs/L4L-FAQ-E.sflb.ashx
From: "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org>
> On Thu, 01 Sep 2011 10:13:38 -0400, FromTheRafters <erratic.howard@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> This one does involve hardware in cooperation with certain
>> manufacturing partners.
>
>> Absolute
>> http://blog.lojackforlaptops.com/201...-is-recovered/
>
> From the above site "LoJack would not work in a Linux environment".
>
> Regards, Dave Hodgins
Dustin has researched and analyzed this a bit but I wonder how much is "hard coded".
For example if Windows is reinstalled and executed from the "D:" drive instead of "C:"
would that thwart LoJack ?
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Juergen Nieveler wrote:
>G. Morgan <G_Morgan@easy.com> wrote:
>
>>>What makes this sound unrealistic to you, the age or the fact she's a
>>>woman?
>>
>> Both, I guess. I've never seen a woman show up on "To Catch a Predator"
>> on NBC.
>
>Selective reporting.
>
>Google a bit - for example for female schoolteachers abusing boys.
>
>Doesn't usually gets reported as abuse in the same way men abuse kids
>since people seem to assume it's cool for a teenage boy to get a
>learning- by-doing sex education... but technically, it IS abuse.
True...
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