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    G. Morgan Guest

    Re: Couple Can Sue Laptop-Tracking Company (LoJack) for Spying on Sex Chats

    VanguardLH wrote:

    >Didn't know it was stolen. Uh huh. A laptop for $60 and from a
    >student. If the substitute teacher tries that defense then she's
    >admitting she's too stupid to be a teacher after which the school's that
    >hired her should sue for her misrepresentation.


    Heh, no doubt.

    >And, of course, it's always such a smart idea to leave the OS and apps
    >and data files in place on any used computer rather than flatten and
    >rebuild.


    First thing I do on all brand-new machines with factory ****.

    > Hmm, wonder what her excuse will be if they happen to find
    >kiddie porn on the laptop.


    I think she can claim stupid in that case, why would a 52 y/o woman be
    into CP?

    Anyhow...

    The text I quoted was the back-story, the real issue is if LoJack and
    company are guilty of illegal wiretapping. Will be an interesting
    precedent. I'm not sure which side I'm on yet. The laptop belongs to
    the school and they gave LoJack permission to monitor everything and
    anything on it. But...

    Wiretapping laws are set at the State level. Some States it's totally
    illegal to record any communications, some allow it as long as one of
    the parties communicating is privy to the recording.

    Ohio's law says one party must know they are being recorded, and these
    two lovebirds didn't. In addition, Ohio has a little 'extra' for sexual
    communication: http://www.rcfp.org/taping/states/ohio.html

    ____________

    "But the judge found that there were grounds to believe Absolute had
    gone too far, and that a jury might reasonably decide that it had
    violated the plaintiffs’ privacy and broken the law. The case raises an
    important issue about the length that someone can legally go to recover
    stolen goods."

    “It is one thing to cause a stolen computer to report its IP address or
    its geographical location in an effort to track it down,” Rice wrote in
    his decision (.pdf). “It is something entirely different to violate
    federal wiretapping laws by intercepting the electronic communications
    of the person using the stolen laptop.”

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    Dustin Guest

    Re: Couple Can Sue Laptop-Tracking Company (LoJack) for Spying on Sex Chats

    G. Morgan <G_Morgan@easy.com> wrote in
    news:4trs57ph8st2quvbpvp4dbpkpj6kvca9c3@Osama-is-dead.net:

    > VanguardLH wrote:
    >
    >>Didn't know it was stolen. Uh huh. A laptop for $60 and from a
    >>student. If the substitute teacher tries that defense then she's
    >>admitting she's too stupid to be a teacher after which the school's
    >>that hired her should sue for her misrepresentation.

    >
    > Heh, no doubt.
    >
    >>And, of course, it's always such a smart idea to leave the OS and
    >>apps and data files in place on any used computer rather than
    >>flatten and rebuild.

    >
    > First thing I do on all brand-new machines with factory ****.
    >
    >> Hmm, wonder what her excuse will be if they happen to find
    >>kiddie porn on the laptop.

    >
    > I think she can claim stupid in that case, why would a 52 y/o woman
    > be into CP?
    >
    > Anyhow...
    >
    > The text I quoted was the back-story, the real issue is if LoJack
    > and company are guilty of illegal wiretapping. Will be an
    > interesting precedent. I'm not sure which side I'm on yet. The
    > laptop belongs to the school and they gave LoJack permission to
    > monitor everything and anything on it. But...
    >
    > Wiretapping laws are set at the State level. Some States it's
    > totally illegal to record any communications, some allow it as long
    > as one of the parties communicating is privy to the recording.
    >
    > Ohio's law says one party must know they are being recorded, and
    > these two lovebirds didn't. In addition, Ohio has a little 'extra'
    > for sexual communication:
    > http://www.rcfp.org/taping/states/ohio.html
    >
    > ____________
    >
    > "But the judge found that there were grounds to believe Absolute had
    > gone too far, and that a jury might reasonably decide that it had
    > violated the plaintiffs’ privacy and broken the law. The case
    > raises an important issue about the length that someone can legally
    > go to recover stolen goods."
    >
    > “It is one thing to cause a stolen computer to report its IP
    > address or its geographical location in an effort to track it
    > down,” Rice wrote in his decision (.pdf). “It is something
    > entirely different to violate federal wiretapping laws by
    > intercepting the electronic communications of the person using the
    > stolen laptop.”
    >


    HEHEHE.. I'll be watching this case with a vested interest. I always
    suspected some of it's activities needed to be challenged in a
    courtroom, I *knew* they weren't right. If I pulled even a quarter of
    the information retrieval they do, I'd be sued for all sorts of
    violations. Wiretapping being but one of them. I wonder how much
    confidential data they've recovered due to the spying?


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    Hold my prayers upto the sun
    I am a sinner
    Heaven's closed for what I've done.

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    Dustin Guest

    Re: Couple Can Sue Laptop-Tracking Company (LoJack) for Spying on Sex Chats

    VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote in news:j3kjn4$rs$1@news.albasani.net:

    > And, of course, it's always such a smart idea to leave the OS and
    > apps and data files in place on any used computer rather than
    > flatten and rebuild. Hmm, wonder what her excuse will be if they
    > happen to find kiddie porn on the laptop.


    Vanguard, You can flatten and rebuild a lojacked system all day long,
    it's still going to be lojacked when you reload windows. [g]


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    Hold my prayers upto the sun
    I am a sinner
    Heaven's closed for what I've done.

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    FromTheRafters Guest

    Re: Couple Can Sue Laptop-Tracking Company (LoJack) for Spying on Sex Chats


    "Dustin" <bughunter.dustin@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:Xns9F52A6126389AHHI2948AJD832@no...
    > VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote in news:j3kjn4$rs$1@news.albasani.net:
    >
    >> And, of course, it's always such a smart idea to leave the OS and
    >> apps and data files in place on any used computer rather than
    >> flatten and rebuild. Hmm, wonder what her excuse will be if they
    >> happen to find kiddie porn on the laptop.

    >
    > Vanguard, You can flatten and rebuild a lojacked system all day long,
    > it's still going to be lojacked when you reload windows. [g]


    Would it only persist if it was reloaded with the same OS
    that it was originally installed to work with? Like if it came
    with XP pro and you wiped it and loaded Vista would it only
    have limited functionality or is it capable of upgrading with
    the new OS when it phones home?



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    Jenn Guest

    Re: Couple Can Sue Laptop-Tracking Company (LoJack) for Spying onSex Chats

    On 8/31/2011 5:11 PM, FromTheRafters wrote:
    > "Dustin"<bughunter.dustin@gmail.com> wrote in message
    > news:Xns9F52A6126389AHHI2948AJD832@no...
    >> VanguardLH<V@nguard.LH> wrote in news:j3kjn4$rs$1@news.albasani.net:
    >>
    >>> And, of course, it's always such a smart idea to leave the OS and
    >>> apps and data files in place on any used computer rather than
    >>> flatten and rebuild. Hmm, wonder what her excuse will be if they
    >>> happen to find kiddie porn on the laptop.

    >>
    >> Vanguard, You can flatten and rebuild a lojacked system all day long,
    >> it's still going to be lojacked when you reload windows. [g]

    >
    > Would it only persist if it was reloaded with the same OS
    > that it was originally installed to work with? Like if it came
    > with XP pro and you wiped it and loaded Vista would it only
    > have limited functionality or is it capable of upgrading with
    > the new OS when it phones home?
    >
    >

    Interesting thread... My laptop came with a Lo-jack CD. After reading
    all the discussions so far, I'm wondering what the consensus is as far
    as loading the Lo-jack program onto my laptop?

    --
    Jenn
    (posting from Thunderbird)

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    FromTheRafters Guest

    Re: Couple Can Sue Laptop-Tracking Company (LoJack) for Spying on Sex Chats


    "Jenn" <me@fakee..mail.com> wrote in message news:j3mh2s$aak$1@dont-email.me...
    > On 8/31/2011 5:11 PM, FromTheRafters wrote:
    >> "Dustin"<bughunter.dustin@gmail.com> wrote in message
    >> news:Xns9F52A6126389AHHI2948AJD832@no...
    >>> VanguardLH<V@nguard.LH> wrote in news:j3kjn4$rs$1@news.albasani.net:
    >>>
    >>>> And, of course, it's always such a smart idea to leave the OS and
    >>>> apps and data files in place on any used computer rather than
    >>>> flatten and rebuild. Hmm, wonder what her excuse will be if they
    >>>> happen to find kiddie porn on the laptop.
    >>>
    >>> Vanguard, You can flatten and rebuild a lojacked system all day long,
    >>> it's still going to be lojacked when you reload windows. [g]

    >>
    >> Would it only persist if it was reloaded with the same OS
    >> that it was originally installed to work with? Like if it came
    >> with XP pro and you wiped it and loaded Vista would it only
    >> have limited functionality or is it capable of upgrading with
    >> the new OS when it phones home?
    >>
    >>

    > Interesting thread... My laptop came with a Lo-jack CD. After reading all
    > the discussions so far, I'm wondering what the consensus is as far as loading
    > the Lo-jack program onto my laptop?


    I still think it is a good thing for retrieving a stolen laptop.

    As for all of the hoopla - if I want to install spyware on my computer
    that activates the webcam and then posts photo, IP, and geolocation
    data somewhere then I should be able to do so. If that computer gets
    stolen and resold it is a case of 'caveat emptor' as far as the new
    owner being spied upon is concerned.

    It *is* an interesting case nonetheless.



  7. #7
    Bullwinkle. Guest

    Re: Couple Can Sue Laptop-Tracking Company (LoJack) for Spying on Sex Chats

    LOL and how old is this laptop?

    You is safe no one wants to spy on you fat sloppy ass
    except bd.


    "Jenn" <me@fakee..mail.com> wrote in message
    news:j3mh2s$aak$1@dont-email.me...
    >
    >

    Interesting thread... My laptop came with a Lo-jack CD. After reading
    all the discussions so far, I'm wondering what the consensus is as far
    as loading the Lo-jack program onto my laptop?


  8. #8
    M.L. Guest

    Re: Couple Can Sue Laptop-Tracking Company (LoJack) for Spying on Sex Chats



    >Interesting thread... My laptop came with a Lo-jack CD. After reading
    >all the discussions so far, I'm wondering what the consensus is as far
    >as loading the Lo-jack program onto my laptop?


    If the thief lives in a large city I doubt you'll be able to get their
    police to escort you to the thief's home with a search warrant to
    retrieve your laptop.

  9. #9
    Dustin Guest

    Re: Couple Can Sue Laptop-Tracking Company (LoJack) for Spying on Sex Chats

    Jenn <me@fakee..mail.com> wrote in news:j3mh2s$aak$1@dont-email.me:

    > On 8/31/2011 5:11 PM, FromTheRafters wrote:
    >> "Dustin"<bughunter.dustin@gmail.com> wrote in message
    >> news:Xns9F52A6126389AHHI2948AJD832@no...
    >>> VanguardLH<V@nguard.LH> wrote in
    >>> news:j3kjn4$rs$1@news.albasani.net:
    >>>
    >>>> And, of course, it's always such a smart idea to leave the OS and
    >>>> apps and data files in place on any used computer rather than
    >>>> flatten and rebuild. Hmm, wonder what her excuse will be if they
    >>>> happen to find kiddie porn on the laptop.
    >>>
    >>> Vanguard, You can flatten and rebuild a lojacked system all day
    >>> long, it's still going to be lojacked when you reload windows. [g]

    >>
    >> Would it only persist if it was reloaded with the same OS
    >> that it was originally installed to work with? Like if it came
    >> with XP pro and you wiped it and loaded Vista would it only
    >> have limited functionality or is it capable of upgrading with
    >> the new OS when it phones home?
    >>
    >>

    > Interesting thread... My laptop came with a Lo-jack CD. After
    > reading all the discussions so far, I'm wondering what the consensus
    > is as far as loading the Lo-jack program onto my laptop?


    Once you use that cd, you're laptop bios will have an optionrom added
    to it. You keep paying the fees, you can probably get the laptop back
    if it's ever stolen. Unless it comes to someone who knows lojack well,
    then, really, you wasted your money.

    You will be modifying your laptop when you do this, and if the software
    ever ****s up, it has full control, you can lose access to your files,
    and access to the laptop. You also will be placing trust into
    computrace (canadian company) not to spy on you, as they can whenever
    they like.


    --
    I am a sinner
    Hold my prayers upto the sun
    I am a sinner
    Heaven's closed for what I've done.

  10. #10
    David W. Hodgins Guest

    Re: Couple Can Sue Laptop-Tracking Company (LoJack) for Spying on SexChats

    On Wed, 31 Aug 2011 18:11:30 -0400, FromTheRafters <erratic.howard@gmail.com> wrote:

    > Would it only persist if it was reloaded with the same OS


    It's a rootkit in bios that will reinstall itself in any windows system.

    I don't know if it would damage a linux installation, or not. It
    definitely wouldn't work though.

    Regards, Dave Hodgins

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