PCButts Infamous Pic of Dust**** Relaxing After Virus Writing

[David H. Lipman]

From: "Aardvark" <aardvark@youllnever.know>

>
> You're wasting your time, David. BD is so deeply entrenched in his
> paranoia that he won't believe the truth of the matter.
>
> It doesn't take even half a brain to work out that, in order to cause a
> simple text file to cause any problems would take a lot of work and a
> number of conscious decisions on the part of the luzer.
>
> Not forgetting, a modicum of programming knowledge.


You are correct there. Didn't want third party readers to obtain or believe false
information from an uninformed post.

I watched his suggested video. Everything from ways to detect if it is running in a VM
(yeah, been seeing those techniques for years like detecting "drivers\vmmouse.sys" and )
to detecting IsDebuggerPresent() (see that string in countless binaries) to that simple
bat file. NOTHING in that video would indicate that a text file was used in any exploit
or malware vector. It was all overarching data on malware avoiding detection, exploiting
malware vulnerabilities due to bad programming and on OffensiveComputing as a web site.

Then when he is confronted with the lack of support for his misinformed and incorrect post
and the lack of supportive/corroborative information he posts another malicious activity
news report activity. Sheeeeeesh !


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Dave
Multi-AV Scanning Tool - http://multi-av.thespykiller.co.uk
http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp

[David H. Lipman]

From: "~BD~" <~BD~@nomail.afraid.com>

>> I already know that text files are benign. Time you caught up.
>>
> Trojan Tricks Victims Into Transferring Funds
>

Act of redirection because you are wrong and lost the debate/argument.

< PLONK>


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Dave
Multi-AV Scanning Tool - http://multi-av.thespykiller.co.uk
http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp

[Aardvark]

On Thu, 28 Jul 2011 23:48:46 +0100, ~BD~ wrote:

> Aardvark wrote:
>> On Thu, 28 Jul 2011 23:24:52 +0100, ~BD~ wrote:
>>
>>> Aardvark wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 28 Jul 2011 22:47:28 +0100, ~BD~ wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> You really *do* need to study more.
>>>>
>>>> Why? At least I know enough to know that plain text files are nothing
>>>> other than benign.
>>>
>>> You make *FAR* too many assumptions, *Aard*****!
>>>
>>>
>> No assumptions here.
>>
>>> You really *DO* need to study more.
>>
>> I already know that text files are benign. Time you caught up.
>>
>>
>>
>>
> <SNIP IRRELEVANT **** ABOUT OLD STUFF>

Plain-text files are benign, ****.




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lose the capacity to make any ethical choices, for they willingly
sacrifice others in the name of the politically expedient and
practical." - Dwight Macdonald, “The Root Is Man.”

[Aardvark]

On Thu, 28 Jul 2011 19:37:33 -0400, David H. Lipman wrote:

> From: "Aardvark" <aardvark@youllnever.know>
>
>
>> You're wasting your time, David. BD is so deeply entrenched in his
>> paranoia that he won't believe the truth of the matter.
>>
>> It doesn't take even half a brain to work out that, in order to cause a
>> simple text file to cause any problems would take a lot of work and a
>> number of conscious decisions on the part of the luzer.
>>
>> Not forgetting, a modicum of programming knowledge.
>
>
> You are correct there. Didn't want third party readers to obtain or
> believe false information from an uninformed post.
>

It's a bit much when there always has to be someone watching the ****er
in order to immediately correct incorrect information he gives or slimy
insinuations he makes, just in case some poor no0b reads it and takes it
as gospel.

> I watched his suggested video.

I didn't :-)

> Everything from ways to detect if it is
> running in a VM (yeah, been seeing those techniques for years like
> detecting "drivers\vmmouse.sys" and ) to detecting IsDebuggerPresent()
> (see that string in countless binaries) to that simple bat file.
> NOTHING in that video would indicate that a text file was used in any
> exploit or malware vector.

That'd be some trick if someone could find a way to do it.

> It was all overarching data on malware
> avoiding detection, exploiting malware vulnerabilities due to bad
> programming and on OffensiveComputing as a web site.

What? No malicious text-files? I'm shocked.

>
> Then when he is confronted with the lack of support for his misinformed
> and incorrect post and the lack of supportive/corroborative information
> he posts another malicious activity news report activity. Sheeeeeesh !

Sheeeeeesh! Indeed.



--
"Those who do not make human beings the center of their concern soon
lose the capacity to make any ethical choices, for they willingly
sacrifice others in the name of the politically expedient and
practical." - Dwight Macdonald, “The Root Is Man.”

[Aardvark]

On Thu, 28 Jul 2011 19:39:04 -0400, David H. Lipman wrote:

> From: "~BD~" <~BD~@nomail.afraid.com>
>
>>> I already know that text files are benign. Time you caught up.
>>>
>> Trojan Tricks Victims Into Transferring Funds
>>
>>
> Act of redirection because you are wrong and lost the debate/argument.
>
> < PLONK>

LOL.

That's the way it appears.



--
"Those who do not make human beings the center of their concern soon
lose the capacity to make any ethical choices, for they willingly
sacrifice others in the name of the politically expedient and
practical." - Dwight Macdonald, “The Root Is Man.”

[FromTheRafters]

Dustin wrote:
> ~BD~<~BD~@nomail.afraid.com> wrote in
> news:M92dnTvYLJ0tLKzTnZ2dnUVZ8vKdnZ2d@bt.com:
>
>> Dustin wrote:
>>> ~BD~<~BD~@nomail.afraid.com> wrote in
>>> news:mNadnWeQH89JX7LTnZ2dnUVZ8u2dnZ2d@bt.com:
>>>
>>>> Dustin wrote:
>>>>> ~BD~<~BD~@nomail.afraid.com> wrote in
>>>>> news:07udnSGCDqb-UrPTnZ2dnUVZ8jOdnZ2d@bt.com:
>>>>>
>>>>>> G. Morgan wrote:
>>>>>>> ~BD~ wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Have you ever investigated exactly *what* is loaded onto your
>>>>>>>> computer when you choose to download a Hosts file?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes, a text file named HOSTS.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I mean a forensic-type check
>>>>>>>> after downloading onto a known clean machine (a new or wiped
>>>>>>>> HD should be OK!<smile>) I'll bet not!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not necessary. It's a plain text file. You can see the MVPS
>>>>>>> one here, and modify it as you wish.
>>>>>>> http://winhelp2002.mvps.org/hosts.txt
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Btw, which one (Hosts file) do *you* use?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> MVPS.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for the answers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I know I'm dopey sometimes, but I understood that malware *can*
>>>>>> be downloaded *in conjunction* with a plain text file.
>>>>>
>>>>> MUAHAHAHAHA...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffRqmUVr_f8
>>>>
>>>
>>> Simple stuff to me, David. Did you have a specific point or
>>> question?
>>>
>>
>> Hi Dustin
>>
>> Will you, please, confirm that malware *can* be downloaded *in
>> conjunction* with a plain text file?
>
> I didn't know this was disputed? Take Jenn for example. she got hit
> with a drive by download.
>
>> Do you ever think to check something as simple and straight-forward
>> as the MVP's Host file - just to see if it actually *is* clean - and
>> doesn't come with a hidden payload?
>
> As it's a plain text file, it can't come with anything "hidden".
>
>
Although, one may need to scroll some.

[David H. Lipman]

From: "FromTheRafters" <erratic@nomail.afraid.org>

< snip >

>> As it's a plain text file, it can't come with anything "hidden".
>>
> Although, one may need to scroll some.

Maybe a text file using an invisible font ;-)


--
Dave
Multi-AV Scanning Tool - http://multi-av.thespykiller.co.uk
http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp

[~BD~]

Dustin wrote:
[....]

>>> Simple stuff to me, David. Did you have a specific point or
>>> question?
>>>
>>
>> Hi Dustin
>>
>> Will you, please, confirm that malware *can* be downloaded *in
>> conjunction* with a plain text file?
>
> I didn't know this was disputed? Take Jenn for example. she got hit
> with a drive by download.

Most folk would never know!

>> Do you ever think to check something as simple and straight-forward
>> as the MVP's Host file - just to see if it actually *is* clean - and
>> doesn't come with a hidden payload?
>
> As it's a plain text file, it can't come with anything "hidden".

http://i54.tinypic.com/1zxmd14.jpg

[Aardvark]

On Thu, 28 Jul 2011 19:57:26 -0400, David H. Lipman wrote:

> From: "FromTheRafters" <erratic@nomail.afraid.org>
>
> < snip >
>
>>> As it's a plain text file, it can't come with anything "hidden".
>>>
>> Although, one may need to scroll some.
>
> Maybe a text file using an invisible font ;-)

In order for it to be malicious, it would have to spell out lots of
insults.

:-)



--
"Those who do not make human beings the center of their concern soon
lose the capacity to make any ethical choices, for they willingly
sacrifice others in the name of the politically expedient and
practical." - Dwight Macdonald, “The Root Is Man.”

[FromTheRafters]

"David H. Lipman" <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> wrote in message
news:j0st180mro@news4.newsguy.com...
> From: "FromTheRafters" <erratic@nomail.afraid.org>
>
> < snip >
>
>>> As it's a plain text file, it can't come with anything "hidden".
>>>
>> Although, one may need to scroll some.
>
> Maybe a text file using an invisible font ;-)

Clearly written instructions?