Ping: Dustin Cook - How would *you* find this rootkit?

[~BD~]

On 30/06/2011 21:17, Dustin wrote:
> ~BD~<~BD~@nomail.afraid.com> wrote in
> news:iuh3tu$9ln$1@dont-email.me:
>
>> One of the world's stealthiest pieces of malware infected more than
>> 4.5 million PCs in just three months, making it possible for its
>> authors to force keyloggers, adware, and other malicious programs on
>> the compromised machines at any time.
>
> Via the method I already provided Morgan. It's software, despite the
> news media claims, it still has to follow the same rules any other
> bootstrap module would. What makes it difficult to remove tho, is the
> key system file patching. It consists of mbr modification (fixable),
> .sys file (you won't find it easily while the machine is running an
> infected OS), and various support dlls patched. (those may not be
> possible to just fix due to bugs in the patching routines in the
> rootkit. IE: he kills them sometimes).
>
> If you can find usable backups of the critical dll files, and verify
> they are still as they should be via digital signature check, you could
> restore the mbr to known clean status, remove the bad .sys file (it's
> going to have an odd name when you see it), and then replace the bad
> dlls (they will all fail digital signature check when the infected os
> isn't running).

I see! Very straight-forward.

>> 'Indestructible' rootkit enslaves 4.5m PCs in 3 months
>
> Only for people like you.

Umm ........ and the other 4.5 million users?!!!

>> The TDSS rootkit burst on the scene in 2008 and quickly earned the
>> begrudging respect of security experts for its long list of highly
>> advanced features. It is virtually undetectable by antivirus
>
> What security experts? Why no specific names? Newsflash, the
> "advanced" features are *all* well known tricks of the Vx trade. I'm
> familiar with *all* of them and have written POC code for them as well.
> What you think is "rootkit" I still think of as stealth. The game
> hasn't changed.

BD didn't write the article and doesn't know the 'experts'.

>> software, and its use of low-level instructions makes it extremely
>> hard for researchers to conduct reconnaissance on it. A built-in
>> encryption scheme prevents network monitoring tools from
>> intercepting communications sent between control servers and
>> infected machines.
>
> While the comms itself is encrypted, you can still see the source IP,
> destination IP and image file responsible for it. Encrypted comms from
> an app you aren't familiar with is still going to stick out like a sore
> thumb.

To an expert looking for it, agreed.

>> The latest TDL-4 version of the rootkit, which is used as a
>> persistent backdoor to install other types of malware, infected 4.52
>> million machines in the first three months of this year, according
>> to a detailed technical analysis published Wednesday by antivirus
>> firm Kaspersky Lab.
>
> I've already seen.. mebbe.. 10-12 machines with this new rootkit. It's
> no more of a pain than it's predecessors. Well, unless you can't find
> suitable dlls to replace, then you will be reinstalling windows.
> If the authors of the rootkit had properly infected the dlls, it could
> be reversed and so a reinstall wouldn't be necessary; but they didn't.

It's a pain for those users who do not realise they have a gremlin
aboard, Dustin!

>> Like the Popureb trojan and the Torpig botnet (aka Sinowal and
>> Anserin), it also infects the master boot record of a compromised
>> PC's hard drive, ensuring that malware is running even before
>> Windows is loaded.
>
> Not very difficult to deal with, either.

That may be true - once a machine is given to an expert to inspect!

>> Dave - I find the bit about riding infected machines of rival
>> malware rather interesting. That's what I suggested a malware
>> /cleaning/ product might do! How would one ever know it had
>> happened?!!
>
> It's all old news. Some viruses would disinfect your machine from
> competing viruses if they were present. A legitimate malware cleaning
> product wouldn't do what you suggest, and I will be transferring your
> rl details over to malwarebytes so they may have recourse for legal
> action for your comments. Your slimeball days are a bit limited. People
> who wish to be able to discuss legal issues with you will soon be able
> to do so, in person, over the phone or via snail mail.
>
>

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[~BD~]

On 05/07/2011 10:00, ~BD~ wrote:

>>> Dave - I find the bit about riding infected machines of rival
>>> malware rather interesting. That's what I suggested a malware
>>> /cleaning/ product might do! How would one ever know it had
>>> happened?!!
>>
>> It's all old news. Some viruses would disinfect your machine from
>> competing viruses if they were present. A legitimate malware cleaning
>> product wouldn't do what you suggest, and I will be transferring your
>> rl details over to malwarebytes so they may have recourse for legal
>> action for your comments. Your slimeball days are a bit limited. People
>> who wish to be able to discuss legal issues with you will soon be able
>> to do so, in person, over the phone or via snail mail.


Just where did *this* spring from? (I've cut most of it!)


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I'd meant to ask if an *illegitimate* malware cleaning tool might do as
I suggest! The average computer user would *never* know, would they? (IMO).

Btw, I have always been available for discussion at any time or place.

BD.

[Bullwinkle.]

Not really true.

You avoid a lot of people and those that manage
to track you down you avoid looking them in the eye.


"~BD~" <~BD~@nomail.afraid.com> wrote in message
news:iuukg3$kak$1@dont-email.me...

Btw, I have always been available for discussion at any time or place.

BD.

[Dustin]

Virus Guy <Virus@Guy.com> wrote in news:4E124ED5.B84BAAD4@Guy.com:

> Dustin wrote:
>
>> > I believe Dustin Cook to be a founding partner of Pirate Bay.
>
>> I wonder what my legal options are now that he's done with the
>> inneundo and outright accused me of being directly involved with
>> a very large and very well known website. That's a very large
>> accusation.
>
> Is Dustin Cook your real name?

Yes. Duh.

>> Should I use the real life information I have on him and
>> pursue legal action?
>
> You must be joking, perhaps trying to put a chill into BD (not likely
> he'll feel it).

No, I'm not joking.. Quite serious, actually.

> But you're still an asswipe, and you can come and try to pursue legal

you only call me an asswipe because I know the stuff you're still
wanting to learn and I call you out for the bullsit you peddle. if that
makes me an asswipe, I'm cool by it.





--
(Hey) I keep on thinking that it's
(Hey) all done and all over now (whoa)
You keep on thinking you can save me save me
(Hey) My ship is sinking but it's
(Hey) all good and I can go down (whoa)
You've got me thinking that the party's all over

[Dustin]

G. Morgan <G_Morgan@easy.com> wrote in
news:nip417dvclmf4h8dj8us873jubt4vfkpnv@Osama-is-dead.net:

> Dustin wrote:
>
>>I wonder what my legal options are now that he's done with the
>>inneundo and outright accused me of being directly involved with a
>>very large and very well known website.
>
> Your only option is to whine about it here.

Well, not really. Just depends if I want to remain above board or not.

> Should I drag up some posts that have writing about you threatening
> to kill or cause harm to BD, and a 'visit' to Jenn?

Do you think I care what you do? You've been caught with trollish
manuevers, threatened me, say.. what happens if I make you angry,
****wit? you going to kick my ass or something? Laugh laugh.


--
(Hey) I keep on thinking that it's
(Hey) all done and all over now (whoa)
You keep on thinking you can save me save me
(Hey) My ship is sinking but it's
(Hey) all good and I can go down (whoa)
You've got me thinking that the party's all over

[Dustin]

G. Morgan <G_Morgan@easy.com> wrote in
news:j6p417p94d7016fidnc07ppqs95oc4up05@Osama-is-dead.net:

> Dustin wrote:
>
>>I can be arsed enough to look (your x-no-archive isn't honoured by my
>>server) where you did say you were firing on me for picking on Jenn. I
>>believe it was during the VB app is/isn't portable threads.
>
> I never said such a thing. You made it up, and now you believe it.

Hmm, I'll go ahead and find it then for you. It was one reason you
provided, You believe I'm attacking Jenn with the comments I made about
her vb app. Or, do you deny this?


--
(Hey) I keep on thinking that it's
(Hey) all done and all over now (whoa)
You keep on thinking you can save me save me
(Hey) My ship is sinking but it's
(Hey) all good and I can go down (whoa)
You've got me thinking that the party's all over

[Dustin]

G. Morgan <G_Morgan@easy.com> wrote in
news:7gb7179rcd3infvt71g48khbde340no76e@Osama-is-dead.net:

> Dustin wrote:
>
>>> Should I drag up some posts that have writing about you
>>> threatening to kill or cause harm to BD, and a 'visit' to Jenn?
>>
>>Do you think I care what you do? You've been caught with trollish
>>manuevers,
>
> Switching follow-ups to other groups was not a troll move, it was an
> intelligence test. You failed.

No, it wasn't. You were well aware that I don't check full headers
unless I have a reason to do so. Prior to trolling (which you sort of
apologized/backpeddled for doing) you weren't one of the aforementioned
****heads.

> Heh, what's wrong? Embarrassed? You should be.

By no means. As I said, It's well known that I didn't check headers
when replying to you, as I didn't previously consider you to be a
trollish ****wit. Nothing to be embarrased about. You knew I wouldn't
be checking headers and you took advantage of it. Simple as that. When
I made comment about the fact you did pull a troll maneuver, you tried
to backup. LOL.

> I didn't threaten you, slimeball.

What do you intend to do should I piss you off, Morgan?

> recent history too, post your self-proclaimed "reform".

Recent history? Find one malicious piece of code I've written since
2000. And, don't believe everything you read.

> Would you care to threaten me? I doubt you're that stupid, but
> there is always hope. I would love nothing more than to see your
> ass locked-up with the rest of the sociopath's before you really do
> physically harm someone.

G. Morgan,

Yesterday you claimed you didn't intend the sociopath comment for me.
Are you off your meds?


--
(Hey) I keep on thinking that it's
(Hey) all done and all over now (whoa)
You keep on thinking you can save me save me
(Hey) My ship is sinking but it's
(Hey) all good and I can go down (whoa)
You've got me thinking that the party's all over

[Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries]

G. Morgan wrote:
> Dustin wrote:
>
>>> Should I drag up some posts that have writing about you threatening
>>> to kill or cause harm to BD, and a 'visit' to Jenn?
>>
>> Do you think I care what you do? You've been caught with trollish
>> manuevers,
>
> Switching follow-ups to other groups was not a troll move, it was an
> intelligence test. You failed.

It's trolling.

It was funny the first time someone did it, but lo these many years
later, it's just a pain in the ass.

Heinlein offers a good explanation of the "funny once" concept in /The
Moon is a Harsh Mistress/. Unfortunately, 99% of humans are nowhere near
as smart as a baby AI with the emotional maturity of a 5 year old.

> Meatplow responded to one of the 'preloaded' ones, and he managed to
> fix it before hitting "Send".

MP is a long-time poster in auk, where no one understands "funny once."
In other words, trolling of all kinds is an everyday event in the armpit
of usenet, but that doesn't make it okay to do it in any group with a
pretense to utility.

> Heh, what's wrong? Embarrassed? You should be.

Setting follow-ups without noting them in the body of the post is just
lame. "Lame" is the ultimate embarrassment in a text medium.

>> threatened me, say.. what happens if I make you angry,
>> ****wit? you going to kick my ass or something? Laugh laugh.
>
> I didn't threaten you, slimeball.
>
> Don't you dare play the victim. Your history is filled with Usenet
> death threats, assault threats, and "drop the docs" threats. It's
> recent history too, post your self-proclaimed "reform".

Dustin is full of bluster, but he's not the total dirtbag you're making
him out to be. For that, you need to look to BD. With Dustin, what you
see is what you get--he's not a sneak, even when he isn't doing quite
the right thing. Note that not doing quite the right thing is not quite
the same as doing something outright wrong.

> Would you care to threaten me? I doubt you're that stupid, but there
> is always hope. I would love nothing more than to see your ass
> locked-up with the rest of the sociopath's before you really do
> physically harm someone.

The person who needs to be locked up is BD, not Dustin. At worst, Dustin
would now and again benefit if a friend would endeavor to duct-tape his
fingers together long enough to give him time to think it through before
he types. Nonetheless, he doesn't sit around plotting about how he's
going to drag someone through the mud. In other words, he's a little
impulsive, but he isn't evil. BD, on the other hand, is a manipulative,
conniving sociopath.

FYI, I have not followed any of this--I have bigger fish to fry right
now--but I had a free moment this evening, and I thought this post worth
commenting on.

And no, Dustin is not my favorite person in the world by any stretch of
the imagination, but fair is fair. And your assessment of him is simply
not fair.

[Bullwinkle.]

but morgan is bd's newest errand boy,
so fair is not part of the scheme.


"Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries" <rhondaleakirk@earthling.net> wrote in message
news:iv0loo$7sb$1@news.datemas.de...
G. Morgan wrote:
> Dustin wrote:
>
>>> Should I drag up some posts that have writing about you threatening
>>> to kill or cause harm to BD, and a 'visit' to Jenn?
>>
>> Do you think I care what you do? You've been caught with trollish
>> manuevers,
>
> Switching follow-ups to other groups was not a troll move, it was an
> intelligence test. You failed.

It's trolling.

It was funny the first time someone did it, but lo these many years
later, it's just a pain in the ass.

Heinlein offers a good explanation of the "funny once" concept in /The
Moon is a Harsh Mistress/. Unfortunately, 99% of humans are nowhere near
as smart as a baby AI with the emotional maturity of a 5 year old.

> Meatplow responded to one of the 'preloaded' ones, and he managed to
> fix it before hitting "Send".

MP is a long-time poster in auk, where no one understands "funny once."
In other words, trolling of all kinds is an everyday event in the armpit
of usenet, but that doesn't make it okay to do it in any group with a
pretense to utility.

> Heh, what's wrong? Embarrassed? You should be.

Setting follow-ups without noting them in the body of the post is just
lame. "Lame" is the ultimate embarrassment in a text medium.

>> threatened me, say.. what happens if I make you angry,
>> ****wit? you going to kick my ass or something? Laugh laugh.
>
> I didn't threaten you, slimeball.
>
> Don't you dare play the victim. Your history is filled with Usenet
> death threats, assault threats, and "drop the docs" threats. It's
> recent history too, post your self-proclaimed "reform".

Dustin is full of bluster, but he's not the total dirtbag you're making
him out to be. For that, you need to look to BD. With Dustin, what you
see is what you get--he's not a sneak, even when he isn't doing quite
the right thing. Note that not doing quite the right thing is not quite
the same as doing something outright wrong.

> Would you care to threaten me? I doubt you're that stupid, but there
> is always hope. I would love nothing more than to see your ass
> locked-up with the rest of the sociopath's before you really do
> physically harm someone.

The person who needs to be locked up is BD, not Dustin. At worst, Dustin
would now and again benefit if a friend would endeavor to duct-tape his
fingers together long enough to give him time to think it through before
he types. Nonetheless, he doesn't sit around plotting about how he's
going to drag someone through the mud. In other words, he's a little
impulsive, but he isn't evil. BD, on the other hand, is a manipulative,
conniving sociopath.

FYI, I have not followed any of this--I have bigger fish to fry right
now--but I had a free moment this evening, and I thought this post worth
commenting on.

And no, Dustin is not my favorite person in the world by any stretch of
the imagination, but fair is fair. And your assessment of him is simply
not fair.

[James Egan]

On Tue, 5 Jul 2011 23:45:22 -0400, "Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries"
<rhondaleakirk@earthling.net> wrote:

>Dustin is full of bluster, but he's not the total dirtbag you're making
>him out to be. For that, you need to look to BD. With Dustin, what you
>see is what you get--he's not a sneak, even when he isn't doing quite
>the right thing. Note that not doing quite the right thing is not quite
>the same as doing something outright wrong.

You'll be asking raidy for a date next. lol.


Jim