Am I violating MBam's EULA?

[Li'l Abner]

OK. Here's my story. I'm retired and I enjoy helping people out with
computer problems. I don't have a store front and word of my abilities has
just spread by word of mouth. However I only take enough money to replace
any parts or software I use. So in that sense, I guess these people could
be called clients. I prefer to just call them friends or frineds of
friends.

I asked a question in the MalwareBytes forum about purchasing copies of the
paid version of MBam and installing it on other people's computers. Lots of
people are reluctant to use their credit cards online. The person who
answered suggested that I might be violating their EULA by using
MalwareBytes to clean up other people's computers. I do have the paid
version installed on *my* computer, but on computers I work on I always
download the latest free version and install it. It's the best there is so
naturally I'm goind to use it... usually first. But I'm not using MY copy.
So here's the way the EULA starts. Line 1 is the one that counts.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
EULA - End User License Agreement

Subject to the restrictions below, you may use the Malwarebytes' Software
for any legitimate purpose.

In return, we simply require that you agree:

1. Not to use this software for commercial use without proper licensing.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

What is "proper licensing"?

What is the difference if I download and install it on Joe's computer and
Joe doing it himself?

If I help you shingle your roof, do I have to have a license to use the
hammer?

(I'm probably going to lose this one)

--
--- Everybody has a right to my opinion. ---

[G. Morgan]

Li'l Abner wrote:

>In return, we simply require that you agree:
>
>1. Not to use this software for commercial use without proper licensing.
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>What is "proper licensing"?

I had to think a little on that. My best guess is using the same
licence on all the machines on a commercial LAN.

[David H. Lipman]

From: "Li'l Abner" <blvstk@dogpatch.com>

> OK. Here's my story. I'm retired and I enjoy helping people out with
> computer problems. I don't have a store front and word of my abilities has
> just spread by word of mouth. However I only take enough money to replace
> any parts or software I use. So in that sense, I guess these people could
> be called clients. I prefer to just call them friends or frineds of
> friends.
>
> I asked a question in the MalwareBytes forum about purchasing copies of the
> paid version of MBam and installing it on other people's computers. Lots of
> people are reluctant to use their credit cards online. The person who
> answered suggested that I might be violating their EULA by using
> MalwareBytes to clean up other people's computers. I do have the paid
> version installed on *my* computer, but on computers I work on I always
> download the latest free version and install it. It's the best there is so
> naturally I'm goind to use it... usually first. But I'm not using MY copy.
> So here's the way the EULA starts. Line 1 is the one that counts.
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> EULA - End User License Agreement
>
> Subject to the restrictions below, you may use the Malwarebytes' Software
> for any legitimate purpose.
>
> In return, we simply require that you agree:
>
> 1. Not to use this software for commercial use without proper licensing.
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> What is "proper licensing"?
>
> What is the difference if I download and install it on Joe's computer and
> Joe doing it himself?
>
> If I help you shingle your roof, do I have to have a license to use the
> hammer?
>
> (I'm probably going to lose this one)
>
> --
> --- Everybody has a right to my opinion. ---

If you install the free version on other people's computers, clean them and leave the
software on their respective computters, I don't think its a EULA violation.

In those circumstances you should be forthcoming and indicate, to the client, that MBAM is
installed, was used to clean their respective computer(s) and strongly suggest the
purchase of the full version.


--
Dave
Multi-AV Scanning Tool - http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp

[David H. Lipman]

From: "David H. Lipman" <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net>

> If you install the free version on other people's computers, clean them and leave the
> software on their respective computters, I don't think its a EULA violation.
>
> In those circumstances you should be forthcoming and indicate, to the client, that MBAM
> is
> installed, was used to clean their respective computer(s) and strongly suggest the
> purchase of the full version.
>

ADDENDUM:
I should state I am NOT sure and I *amy* be wrong.



--
Dave
Multi-AV Scanning Tool - http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp

[Dustin]

"Li'l Abner" <blvstk@dogpatch.com> wrote in
news:Xns9F03CF0B05719butter@wefb973cbe498:

> OK. Here's my story. I'm retired and I enjoy helping people out with

I've snipped your story. Dude, listen...

I don't want to hear about this again. Ok? I'm not going to bring it up
and i'm not going to address it.

> 1. Not to use this software for commercial use without proper
> licensing.
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------

Corp versions. Like, if you were an onsite technician. If you charge them
for the cleaning, you would be using a corp edition and you make special
arrangements for it. You aren't doing this, so your okay man.



--
Why drink the water from my hand?
Contagious as you think I am
Just tilt my sun towards your domain
Your cup runneth over again

[Li'l Abner]

"David H. Lipman" <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> wrote in
news:it6hnb020gr@news7.newsguy.com:

> From: "David H. Lipman" <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net>
>
>> If you install the free version on other people's computers, clean
>> them and leave the software on their respective computters, I don't
>> think its a EULA violation.
>>
>> In those circumstances you should be forthcoming and indicate, to the
>> client, that MBAM is
>> installed, was used to clean their respective computer(s) and
>> strongly suggest the purchase of the full version.
>>
>
> ADDENDUM:
> I should state I am NOT sure and I *amy* be wrong.

And then again you *amy* be right... :-)

--
--- Everybody has a right to my opinion. ---

[Li'l Abner]

Dustin <bughunter.dustin@gmail.com> wrote in
news:Xns9F03EE5419CDEHHI2948AJD832@no:

> "Li'l Abner" <blvstk@dogpatch.com> wrote in
> news:Xns9F03CF0B05719butter@wefb973cbe498:
>
>> OK. Here's my story. I'm retired and I enjoy helping people out with
>
> I've snipped your story. Dude, listen...
>
> I don't want to hear about this again. Ok? I'm not going to bring it
> up and i'm not going to address it.
>
>> 1. Not to use this software for commercial use without proper
>> licensing.
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Corp versions. Like, if you were an onsite technician. If you charge
> them for the cleaning, you would be using a corp edition and you make
> special arrangements for it. You aren't doing this, so your okay man.

Thanks. That's what I was wanting to hear... :-)

--
--- Everybody has a right to my opinion. ---

[VanguardLH]

Li'l Abner wrote:

> OK. Here's my story. I'm retired and I enjoy helping people out with
> computer problems. I don't have a store front and word of my abilities has
> just spread by word of mouth. However I only take enough money to replace
> any parts or software I use. So in that sense, I guess these people could
> be called clients. I prefer to just call them friends or frineds of
> friends.
>
> I asked a question in the MalwareBytes forum about purchasing copies of the
> paid version of MBam and installing it on other people's computers. Lots of
> people are reluctant to use their credit cards online. The person who
> answered suggested that I might be violating their EULA by using
> MalwareBytes to clean up other people's computers. I do have the paid
> version installed on *my* computer, but on computers I work on I always
> download the latest free version and install it. It's the best there is so
> naturally I'm goind to use it... usually first. But I'm not using MY copy.
> So here's the way the EULA starts. Line 1 is the one that counts.
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> EULA - End User License Agreement
>
> Subject to the restrictions below, you may use the Malwarebytes' Software
> for any legitimate purpose.
>
> In return, we simply require that you agree:
>
> 1. Not to use this software for commercial use without proper licensing.
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> What is "proper licensing"?
>
> What is the difference if I download and install it on Joe's computer and
> Joe doing it himself?
>
> If I help you shingle your roof, do I have to have a license to use the
> hammer?
>
> (I'm probably going to lose this one)

You can download it once and then copy the installer to as many hosts as
you want. If it's the free version, no more requirements. If it's the
paid version, you'll be prompted for the license key when you do the
install. There is no restrictions on how many copies of the installer
you have as that itself is not an installation or use of the licensed
software (in fact, there's a good chance that the installer is NOT their
product but someone else's product they used to bundle their software
files).

Whether the free or paid version, you can have as many copies of the
installer as you want as you haven't installed anything yet with it.
The license applies to the software delivered by the installer, not to
the installer itself. If the free version, you can use the same
installer on multiple hosts or make copies of the installer and use that
on other hosts. Same for the paid version EXCEPT the step where you
have to enter the license key after which you actually have an
*instance* of the software against which the license applies.

When you run MBAM's installer and get to a dialog where you can click on
the titlebar icon (left end) to select About, you will see the install
is Inno Setup (www.innosetup.com). That's Inno's product, not MBAM's.
They don't own Inno. They cannot regulate the distribution or execution
of their installer for a license of a product that isn't their property.
Put the installer on a USB thumb drive, memory card, DVD, e-mail it, FTP
it, store it on online storage to retrieve it from there (although by
then you might as well as just download it from MBAM) or do whatever you
want with the installer to get it to the other hosts. MBAM's license
doesn't apply against that installer program. It only applies against
whatever the installer delivers.

MBAM's license applies only against their property, not Inno's property.
Only after you run the installer to deliver MBAM's property is their
licensing applicable. Even MBAM knows that. Read their EULA which
states, "By installing or running this software, ...". "This software"
is their software, not Inno's installer program. The clause "This
License applies to one instance of the Software, which may only be
installed on one computer at a time." is to restrict the distribution of
the license (which is moot in the case of the free version regarding
distribution). It's for the paid version to ensure that one license is
installed on only one computer, not repeatedly installed on other
computers.

So it looks like you are just fine the way you are doing things. Their
license doesn't apply against the Inno installer so you can make as many
copies as you want and distribute it to as many hosts as you want. It's
when you *run* the installer to then deposit MBAM's software that their
license comes into play - but really don't make logical sense regarding
the free version and applies to their commercial version. Since you
aren't repeatedly installing the same paid-for version on multiple
computers, you are not violating their EULA.

[Dustin]

VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote in news:it6uit$sn2$1@news.albasani.net:

> You can download it once and then copy the installer to as many
> hosts as you want. If it's the free version, no more requirements.

Not exactly. You can download it, install it and make use of it, but
you cannot be making money by doing so. if you are, you legally should
be acquiring the corporate version license. The free version is
intended for end users who aren't charging to clean a machine as it's
usually, well, theirs.

> product, not MBAM's. They don't own Inno. They cannot regulate the
> distribution or execution of their installer for a license of a
> product that isn't their property. Put the installer on a USB thumb

Malwarebytes most certainly can regulate the distribution of the
installer, Vanguard. You should see inno's licensing terms. You are,
again, talking completely runny **** from your ass. Violent, explosive
diarhea.


> installer to get it to the other hosts. MBAM's license doesn't
> apply against that installer program. It only applies against
> whatever the installer delivers.

The "installer" is carrying malwarebytes software. It's a glorified
shell for stupid windows users. Malwarebytes does legally have the
right to dictate how that executable is distributed.

I told you last time, if you talk ****, I might call you on it.

> MBAM's license applies only against their property, not Inno's
> property. Only after you run the installer to deliver MBAM's

Idiot.

> So it looks like you are just fine the way you are doing things.

He is, because he isn't running a shop and charging people. If he was,
he'd be against the terms of the licensing.

> Their license doesn't apply against the Inno installer so you can
> make as many copies as you want and distribute it to as many hosts
> as you want. It's when you *run* the installer to then deposit

Actually, If Malwarebytes wanted to be pissy about that, they could
change who/what can host the executable. Inno does own the installer,
but they sublease rights to authors who make use of it. IE: They don't
interfere. You are talking 100% explosive ****, again.

> MBAM's software that their license comes into play - but really
> don't make logical sense regarding the free version and applies to

Considering I believe you still run a keygenned version right? What do
you care one way or the other?


--
Why drink the water from my hand?
Contagious as you think I am
Just tilt my sun towards your domain
Your cup runneth over again