1PW wrote:
> On 6/5/2011 18:41, FromTheRafters wrote:
>
> snip, snip...
>
>> Avira and the firewall that came with Windows 7 is just fine IMO.
>
> Agreed, if we're discussing Avira AntiVir Personal (free version).
> To that I'd add Malwarebytes' Anti-Malware PRO.
>
Sure, it doesn't hurt to have extra protection that doesn't conflict
with your AV. AV won't catch everything.
On 6/5/2011 9:29 PM, Li'l Abner wrote:
>
>> Something else regarding "free":
>> If you have some of those pigeons to deal with, have them install
>> "TeamViewer 6" (http://www.teamviewer.com). There may be better
>> "remote assistance" apps out there, but this one's extremely simple to
>> set up.
>
> And you know what's *really* good about it? User Account Control does not
> kill it! I was previously using either UltraVNC or Show My PC on all my
> customers with Vista or Windows 7. I always had to talk them through
> turning off UAC. The only thing I don't like about it is that it nags me
> to buy the paid version every time I go to get out of it.
>
> Thanks much for your reply!
Thanks for that! There's "probably something wrong" with TeamViewer
overall (security-wise), but so far this is the best answer for "remote
assistance" I've found. I used to use the native "Windows Remote
Assistance" app, but I got tired of all the "fone handholding" I had to
do when either UAC or the other-end user's security software got in the
way. I'm not saying that there won't be a snag sometime, but this puppy
works!
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saying, "Remember me mother****er?"
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> Does he even need a firewall other than the Windows firewall? If so, I
> could always install the free version of ZoneAlarm.
If he didn't complain about the Window$ built-in firewall, then there is
really no need to install ZoneAlarm.
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FromTheRafters wrote:
> Li'l Abner wrote:
>> I have a customer whose hard drive failed and I have now reinstalled
>> WIndows 7 on a new drive.
>>
>> His provider is HughesNet. They have him on a plan where he has a
>> ZoneAlarm Security Suite of some kind or another that is supposed to
>> protect him from everything. But they are charging him $3.95 a month
>> for it. He has never had malware problems and is not a risky surfer. He
>> is a
>> mule addict and practically every site he visits has to do with
>> mules... :-) I have suggested installing the free version of Avira or
>> Avast, or
>> Microsoft Security Essentials.
>>
>> Does he even need a firewall other than the Windows firewall? If so,
>> I could always install the free version of ZoneAlarm.
>>
>> Or should I just reinstall the ZA Suite and let him keep paying?
>>
>> Personally, I use the free version of Avira and the paid version of
>> MBAM which runs resident. It's rare that either ever detects
>> anything and I live a helluva lot more dangerous than my customer :-)
>>
> Avira and the firewall that came with Windows 7 is just fine IMO.
Which provides close to zero protection against the most common type of
current infections, the rogue security software installers.
gaz wrote:
> FromTheRafters wrote:
>> Li'l Abner wrote:
>>> I have a customer whose hard drive failed and I have now reinstalled
>>> WIndows 7 on a new drive.
>>>
>>> His provider is HughesNet. They have him on a plan where he has a
>>> ZoneAlarm Security Suite of some kind or another that is supposed to
>>> protect him from everything. But they are charging him $3.95 a month
>>> for it. He has never had malware problems and is not a risky surfer. He
>>> is a
>>> mule addict and practically every site he visits has to do with
>>> mules... :-) I have suggested installing the free version of Avira or
>>> Avast, or
>>> Microsoft Security Essentials.
>>>
>>> Does he even need a firewall other than the Windows firewall? If so,
>>> I could always install the free version of ZoneAlarm.
>>>
>>> Or should I just reinstall the ZA Suite and let him keep paying?
>>>
>>> Personally, I use the free version of Avira and the paid version of
>>> MBAM which runs resident. It's rare that either ever detects
>>> anything and I live a helluva lot more dangerous than my customer :-)
>>>
>> Avira and the firewall that came with Windows 7 is just fine IMO.
>
> Which provides close to zero protection against the most common type of
> current infections, the rogue security software installers.
The idea is to not install them. If you go around installing malware, no
firewall is going to save you.
From: "FromTheRafters" <erratic@nomail.afraid.org>
>>
>> Which provides close to zero protection against the most common type of
>> current infections, the rogue security software installers.
>
> The idea is to not install them. If you go around installing malware, no firewall is
> going to save you.
The vast majority use Social Engineering which is the human exploit.
--
Dave
Multi-AV Scanning Tool - http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp
Li'l Abner wrote:
>Thanks. That's what I wanted to hear. :-)
>Anyone want to second the motion?
+1
David H. Lipman wrote:
> From: "FromTheRafters"<erratic@nomail.afraid.org>
>
>>>
>>> Which provides close to zero protection against the most common type of
>>> current infections, the rogue security software installers.
>>
>> The idea is to not install them. If you go around installing malware, no firewall is
>> going to save you.
>
> The vast majority use Social Engineering which is the human exploit.
>
Depending on what gets downloaded, the firewall is
already defeated.
I think gaz was implying that you need a better
firewall to detect lame 'phone home' attempts.
I am of the opinion that you've already lost the
race when you have malware running behind the
firewall.
From: "FromTheRafters" <erratic@nomail.afraid.org>
> David H. Lipman wrote:
>> From: "FromTheRafters"<erratic@nomail.afraid.org>
>>
>>>> Which provides close to zero protection against the most common type of
>>>> current infections, the rogue security software installers.
>>>
>>> The idea is to not install them. If you go around installing malware, no firewall is
>>> going to save you.
>>
>> The vast majority use Social Engineering which is the human exploit.
>>
> Depending on what gets downloaded, the firewall is
> already defeated.
>
> I think gaz was implying that you need a better
> firewall to detect lame 'phone home' attempts.
> I am of the opinion that you've already lost the
> race when you have malware running behind the
> firewall.
Yes. The only hope is that the FireWall detects unusual outgoing packets and blocks
it/them.
--
Dave
Multi-AV Scanning Tool - http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp
On Tue, 7 Jun 2011 21:11:45 -0400, "David H. Lipman"
<DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> wrote:
>From: "FromTheRafters" <erratic@nomail.afraid.org>
>
>> David H. Lipman wrote:
>>> From: "FromTheRafters"<erratic@nomail.afraid.org>
>>>
>>>>> Which provides close to zero protection against the most common type of
>>>>> current infections, the rogue security software installers.
>>>>
>>>> The idea is to not install them. If you go around installing malware, no firewall is
>>>> going to save you.
>>>
>>> The vast majority use Social Engineering which is the human exploit.
>>>
>> Depending on what gets downloaded, the firewall is
>> already defeated.
>>
>> I think gaz was implying that you need a better
>> firewall to detect lame 'phone home' attempts.
>> I am of the opinion that you've already lost the
>> race when you have malware running behind the
>> firewall.
>
>Yes. The only hope is that the FireWall detects unusual outgoing packets and blocks
>it/them.
The only malware I ever ran on my PC was picked up by kerio
2.1.5 the next day, when it tried to phone home. Antivirus firms took
up to a month to add it to their databases. I had to remove it
manually.
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