iobit anti spyware

[Dustin]

"Beauregard T. Shagnasty" <a.nony.mous@example.invalid> wrote in
news:iinvcr$s1q$1@news.eternal-september.org:

> Anonymous wrote:
>
>> A few years ago, I got sick and tired of worrying about all this
>> spyware crapola.
>
> Me too! So I backed up all my data and installed Linux.

You're not a technological idiot either, tho. Certainly not what I'd
call a typical home user.

> It was so refreshing not to have to worry about getting "updates" and
> running "scans" all the time...

So tell me something.. What can you do with linux that I can't do with
windows XP vlk edition (so no product activation nonsense) and the
millions of freeware apps out there? I'm going to play typical home
user for a moment...

I want to goto the nearest gamestop and get the latest 1st person
shooter for my pc. How do I know linux?!? is going to run my video
game? It says made for windows on the box! all my friends computers run
windows. What the hell is linux?

Scenario two..

I want to screwoff after school and chill with my homies on facebook;
camming and IMing n ****. It's easy at school and at my friends house,
but this linux~!?!? doesn't look anything like either of them. I'm
lost. mine won't do it.


If the typical home user does more with the computer than say a little
web surfing and/or office work; what benefit does linux vs windows
provide those individuals? How would you convince one of those types to
give linux a try?



--
Meaningless encounters, meaningless nights, what’s the meaning in all
this wasted time? It’s a dead situation, I am dead inside, my
destination is fading out of sight. -The Bloodshot Gamblers The Surface
of Hell

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

Dustin wrote:

> "Beauregard T. Shagnasty" wrote:
>> Anonymous wrote:
>>> A few years ago, I got sick and tired of worrying about all this
>>> spyware crapola.
>>
>> Me too! So I backed up all my data and installed Linux.
>
> You're not a technological idiot either, tho. Certainly not what I'd
> call a typical home user.
>
>> It was so refreshing not to have to worry about getting "updates" and
>> running "scans" all the time...
>
> So tell me something.. What can you do with linux that I can't do
> with windows XP vlk edition (so no product activation nonsense) and
> the millions of freeware apps out there? I'm going to play typical
> home user for a moment...

I can 'not bother' to install/update/scan with anti-this&that apps all
the time. There are just as many Linux freeware apps, too. Heh, all of
'em.

> I want to goto the nearest gamestop and get the latest 1st person
> shooter for my pc. How do I know linux?!? is going to run my video
> game? It says made for windows on the box! all my friends computers
> run windows. What the hell is linux?

If they feel the need to run Windows-only software, I'll wish them well
and remind them to keep their anti- apps up to date and run the scans
frequently. Or, if they aren't complete idiots, I might suggest to
install a flavor of Linux, then run their Windows software in a VM.

> Scenario two..
>
> I want to screwoff after school and chill with my homies on facebook;
> camming and IMing n ****. It's easy at school and at my friends
> house, but this linux~!?!? doesn't look anything like either of them.
> I'm lost. mine won't do it.

Facebook (a web page), camming (webcam?), and IM is certainly accessible
with Linux. The rest of your scenario two requires an IQ slightly above
room temperature .. oh, that might leave out a lot of today's students,
wouldn't it?

> If the typical home user does more with the computer than say a
> little web surfing and/or office work; what benefit does linux vs
> windows provide those individuals? How would you convince one of
> those types to give linux a try?

I'd bring a LiveCD over to their house and give them a demo. It usually
works to convince them, and we install it on the spot. And they all seem
to be very happy with the price.

--
-bts
-Four wheels carry the body; two wheels move the soul

[Dustin]

"Beauregard T. Shagnasty" <a.nony.mous@example.invalid> wrote in
news:ij7h3c$u2v$1@news.eternal-september.org:

> Dustin wrote:
>
>> "Beauregard T. Shagnasty" wrote:
>>> Anonymous wrote:
>>>> A few years ago, I got sick and tired of worrying about all this
>>>> spyware crapola.
>>>
>>> Me too! So I backed up all my data and installed Linux.
>>
>> You're not a technological idiot either, tho. Certainly not what
>> I'd call a typical home user.
>>
>>> It was so refreshing not to have to worry about getting "updates"
>>> and running "scans" all the time...
>>
>> So tell me something.. What can you do with linux that I can't do
>> with windows XP vlk edition (so no product activation nonsense) and
>> the millions of freeware apps out there? I'm going to play typical
>> home user for a moment...
>
> I can 'not bother' to install/update/scan with anti-this&that apps
> all the time. There are just as many Linux freeware apps, too. Heh,
> all of 'em.

I don't do that either on my machines. No reason to do so. They are
practicing safe-hex.

> Facebook (a web page), camming (webcam?), and IM is certainly
> accessible with Linux. The rest of your scenario two requires an IQ
> slightly above room temperature .. oh, that might leave out a lot of
> today's students, wouldn't it?

I suspect it might be a show stopper. Yes.

>> If the typical home user does more with the computer than say a
>> little web surfing and/or office work; what benefit does linux vs
>> windows provide those individuals? How would you convince one of
>> those types to give linux a try?
>
> I'd bring a LiveCD over to their house and give them a demo. It
> usually works to convince them, and we install it on the spot. And
> they all seem to be very happy with the price.

LOL.




--
Meaningless encounters, meaningless nights, what’s the meaning in all
this wasted time? It’s a dead situation, I am dead inside, my
destination is fading out of sight. -The Bloodshot Gamblers The Surface
of Hell

[Whoever]

"Beauregard T. Shagnasty" <a.nony.mous@example.invalid> wrote in
news:ij7h3c$u2v$1@news.eternal-september.org:

> Dustin wrote:
>
>> "Beauregard T. Shagnasty" wrote:
>>> Anonymous wrote:
>>>> A few years ago, I got sick and tired of worrying about all this
>>>> spyware crapola.
>>>
>>> Me too! So I backed up all my data and installed Linux.
>>
>> You're not a technological idiot either, tho. Certainly not what I'd
>> call a typical home user.
>>
>>> It was so refreshing not to have to worry about getting "updates" and
>>> running "scans" all the time...
>>
>> So tell me something.. What can you do with linux that I can't do
>> with windows XP vlk edition (so no product activation nonsense) and
>> the millions of freeware apps out there? I'm going to play typical
>> home user for a moment...
>
> I can 'not bother' to install/update/scan with anti-this&that apps all
> the time. There are just as many Linux freeware apps, too. Heh, all of
> 'em.


<<chuckle>>

For someone who knows what they are doing, it takes all of 5 minutes each
to install and configure a good antivirus program and a good antimalware
program. After that, they run unattended in the background for the next
year or so until they are due for a renewal.

Now, let's match that against the amount of time I would lose learning how
to use an entirely new OS and find and install an acceptable set of
replacement apps (if possible - while Gimp is getting better it is still
not up to snuff). By the time I got "up to speed" with all of that, I would
have wasted enough time to have installed and configured thousands of
antivirus/antimalware programs.


>> I want to goto the nearest gamestop and get the latest 1st person
>> shooter for my pc. How do I know linux?!? is going to run my video
>> game? It says made for windows on the box! all my friends computers
>> run windows. What the hell is linux?
>
> If they feel the need to run Windows-only software, I'll wish them well
> and remind them to keep their anti- apps up to date and run the scans
> frequently. Or, if they aren't complete idiots, I might suggest to
> install a flavor of Linux, then run their Windows software in a VM.


Personally, I do things the other way around. I have two flavors of Linux
installed in VM's on this Windows box. I keep tinkering with them from time
to time to try and see what it is that Linux proponents are so ecstatic
over. I haven't found anything yet to make me want to move to Linux on a
day to day basis.


>> If the typical home user does more with the computer than say a
>> little web surfing and/or office work; what benefit does linux vs
>> windows provide those individuals? How would you convince one of
>> those types to give linux a try?
>
> I'd bring a LiveCD over to their house and give them a demo. It usually
> works to convince them, and we install it on the spot. And they all seem
> to be very happy with the price.



You're welcome to come by and "demonstrate" Linux but I don't think you
will convince me. I'm afraid I do a bit more than just simple web surfing
and office work. I'm also familiar enough with this stuff to NOT gloss over
the hidden costs involved in lack of tech support, lost productivity from
workflow disruption, retraining on new OS/apps, etc.

As far as I'm concerned, the virus/malware argument is not a convincing
reason to switch to Linux (or a Mac for that matter). While it is a
problem, it is also somewhat overblown. The vast majority of infected
systems that are brought in to me are a) running an outdated/non-
updated/inferior antivirus program, b) show evidence of various P2P
downloaders, and/or c) have a user that is click-happy and gullible. A
decent AV program and some education often takes care of the problem. In
some cases, I also add in a good antimalware program to beef up the AV
software.

Just my $0.02 worth....


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[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

Whoever wrote:

> "Beauregard T. Shagnasty" wrote:
>> [snippage occurs]
>>>> Me too! So I backed up all my data and installed Linux.
>> I can 'not bother' to install/update/scan with anti-this&that apps
>> all the time. There are just as many Linux freeware apps, too. Heh,
>> all of 'em.
>
> <<chuckle>>
>
> For someone who knows what they are doing, it takes all of 5 minutes
> each to install and configure a good antivirus program and a good
> antimalware program. After that, they run unattended in the
> background for the next year or so until they are due for a renewal.
>
> Now, let's match that against the amount of time I would lose
> learning how to use an entirely new OS and find and install an
> acceptable set of replacement apps (if possible - while Gimp is
> getting better it is still not up to snuff). By the time I got "up to
> speed" with all of that, I would have wasted enough time to have
> installed and configured thousands of antivirus/antimalware programs.

You make some good points, but "time spent learning Linux" isn't one of
them. The same is true for someone seeing Windows for the first time, or
say upgrading from XP to Win7. Keep in mind I'm addressing your average
home user here.

>> If they feel the need to run Windows-only software, I'll wish them
>> well and remind them to keep their anti- apps up to date and run the
>> scans frequently. Or, if they aren't complete idiots, I might
>> suggest to install a flavor of Linux, then run their Windows
>> software in a VM.
>
> Personally, I do things the other way around. I have two flavors of
> Linux installed in VM's on this Windows box. I keep tinkering with
> them from time to time to try and see what it is that Linux
> proponents are so ecstatic over. I haven't found anything yet to make
> me want to move to Linux on a day to day basis.



>> I'd bring a LiveCD over to their house and give them a demo. It
>> usually works to convince them, and we install it on the spot. And
>> they all seem to be very happy with the price.
>
> You're welcome to come by and "demonstrate" Linux but I don't think
> you will convince me. I'm afraid I do a bit more than just simple web
> surfing and office work. I'm also familiar enough with this stuff to
> NOT gloss over the hidden costs involved in lack of tech support,
> lost productivity from workflow disruption, retraining on new
> OS/apps, etc.

I too do a lot more than "simple web surfing and office work." So far,
other than this newsreader running in Wine (my only Windows app), there
is nothing I can't do in this Linux distro.

> As far as I'm concerned, the virus/malware argument is not a
> convincing reason to switch to Linux (or a Mac for that matter).
> While it is a problem, it is also somewhat overblown. The vast
> majority of infected systems that are brought in to me are a) running
> an outdated/non- updated/inferior antivirus program, b) show evidence
> of various P2P downloaders, and/or c) have a user that is click-happy
> and gullible. A decent AV program and some education often takes care
> of the problem. In some cases, I also add in a good antimalware
> program to beef up the AV software.
>
> Just my $0.02 worth....

You make some good points. Linux is not for everyone.
Neither is Windows. ;-)

http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm

It's interesting that my little one-line bit of humor is generating
responses.

--
-bts
-Four wheels carry the body; two wheels move the soul

[Whoever]

"Beauregard T. Shagnasty" <a.nony.mous@example.invalid> wrote in news:ij8qam
$3ip$1@news.eternal-september.org:
>
> You make some good points. Linux is not for everyone.
> Neither is Windows. ;-)


<<smile>>

Point well taken! I actually like having Linux and OS X around. IMHO -
having competing OS's around forces competition and keeps ALL of them on
their toes and working on improving things for everyone. When any one
contender achieves a position which is too overwhelming, you end up with
things like IE6.



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[Buffalo]

Whoever wrote:
[snip]
> When any one contender achieves a position which is too overwhelming,
> you end up with things like IE6.

Sort of reminds me of the USof A.
Buffalo

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

Beauregard T. Shagnasty replied to hisself:

> ... So far, other than this newsreader running in Wine (my only Windows
> app), there is nothing I can't do in this Linux distro.

A clarification (if necessary): I did not mean to imply that I can't do
Usenet without a Windows app, as evidenced by this post from Pan
0.14.2.91. It is just that I have been using Dialog for so many years, and
prefer it over other readers because of its superior configuration options.

--
-bts
-Four wheels carry the body; two wheels move the soul