Re: What's so special about a single word?

[FromTheRafters]

"BoaterDave" <BoaterDave@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
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On Sep 23, 11:55 pm, "Peter Foldes" <ok...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> FTR
>
> It is an executable FTR. That is what shows up for me and not a Data
> file. It shows
> as an Unknown file type 2.06 mb
> and as soon as I try and download the file all kinds of alarms go of
> on this server.

What is the explanation for *you* having "all kinds of alarms go off
on this server" when nobody else has reported *anything* amiss?

> Did you execute the file FTR? If anybody did let me know what you
> found after
> running your malware tools

According to FTR (as I understand things) there was *no* executable -
so why would he be expected to find malware on his computer?

***
Did you read my other posts to Jenn?

Just because I got no executable, that doesn't mean he didn't. Once you
connect to a server, it is entirely up to that server what you get for a
document.

http://www.garshol.priv.no/download/text/http-tut.html
***

[~BD~]

FromTheRafters wrote:

[....]

> Just because I got no executable, that doesn't mean he didn't. Once you
> connect to a server, it is entirely up to that server what you get for a
> document.
>
> http://www.garshol.priv.no/download/text/http-tut.html

Another query, if I may ask you (or others in the group)

Yesterday, I made a post to another group from my account with Google
Groups. When I looked at the header of that post (using SeaMonkey) I
noticed that in the Injection-Info: there was something I'd not noticed
before ...... posting-account=tzxOyQoAAAA3PvP4RMY9OG9o84m_JMU6

Although I don't often post from GG I was able to go back to past posts
in a variety of groups to see if the posting account appeared. It did!
It was the same in each header I checked.

I elected to 'Google' for further info on my posting account ('cause I
like experimenting!) and was surprised by the result.

http://www.google.co.uk/search?clien...Ncjn4gaVo-WiBg

or

http://preview.************/3xo8f7o

There were basically just three findings.

One of them, when clicked upon, went here:

http://forum.outlook.pl/test/2938/reply/

I was amazed to see that the names of Andrew Taylor and Peter Foldes
appeared in what is a site in a foreign language!

Maybe you'll take a peek and advise what *you* see?

Dave

[FromTheRafters]

"~BD~" <~BD~@nomail.afraid.org> wrote in message
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> FromTheRafters wrote:
>
> [....]
>
>> Just because I got no executable, that doesn't mean he didn't. Once
>> you
>> connect to a server, it is entirely up to that server what you get
>> for a
>> document.
>>
>> http://www.garshol.priv.no/download/text/http-tut.html
>
> Another query, if I may ask you (or others in the group)
>
> Yesterday, I made a post to another group from my account with Google
> Groups. When I looked at the header of that post (using SeaMonkey) I
> noticed that in the Injection-Info: there was something I'd not
> noticed before ...... posting-account=tzxOyQoAAAA3PvP4RMY9OG9o84m_JMU6
>
> Although I don't often post from GG I was able to go back to past
> posts in a variety of groups to see if the posting account appeared.
> It did! It was the same in each header I checked.
>
> I elected to 'Google' for further info on my posting account ('cause I
> like experimenting!) and was surprised by the result.
>
> http://www.google.co.uk/search?clien...Ncjn4gaVo-WiBg
>
> or
>
> http://preview.************/3xo8f7o
>
> There were basically just three findings.
>
> One of them, when clicked upon, went here:
>
> http://forum.outlook.pl/test/2938/reply/
>
> I was amazed to see that the names of Andrew Taylor and Peter Foldes
> appeared in what is a site in a foreign language!

Why does that surprise and amaze you?

While normally, using such a string for a search would yield results
where that information was *only* in the headers or your google posts
(that is, it would return all of your posts, and only your posts). Since
you (or someone else, but probably you) has taken to posting the headers
in the body, now that string appears in the bodies of all posts and
followups to posts that didn't edit it out. You (or someone else, but
probably you) have poisoned your own search results by posting your
header information in the bodies of posts and crossposting.

Do you remember an earlier discussion we had about this (regarding
changing subject lines of posts and how it affects the ability to
search)? Your actions have consequences, not from the 'powers that be'
but just because of the way stuff works. Usenet articles now appear on
the web thanks to gateways, in any language you like.

Instead of clicking the link, try clicking the "Translate this page"
link. See that the content has nothing to do with the web user
interface.

[~BD~]

FromTheRafters wrote:
> "~BD~"<~BD~@nomail.afraid.org> wrote in message
> news:GbadnV3MTaCwljPRnZ2dnUVZ8oadnZ2d@bt.com...
[....]

>> I was amazed to see that the names of Andrew Taylor and Peter Foldes
>> appeared in what is a site in a foreign language!
>
> Why does that surprise and amaze you?

It's part of my nature I suppose!

> While normally, using such a string for a search would yield results
> where that information was *only* in the headers or your google posts
> (that is, it would return all of your posts, and only your posts). Since
> you (or someone else, but probably you) has taken to posting the headers
> in the body, now that string appears in the bodies of all posts and
> followups to posts that didn't edit it out. You (or someone else, but
> probably you) have poisoned your own search results by posting your
> header information in the bodies of posts and crossposting.

Ah! Maybe that explains much. I didn't know that Google searches only
the bodies of posts. However, I'm quite certain I must have posted
*many* more than 3 or 4 headers (or parts of same) into message bodies
over the years. My real surprise was that so *few* results were found.

..... and those that /were/ found referred to AT and PF!

> Do you remember an earlier discussion we had about this (regarding
> changing subject lines of posts and how it affects the ability to
> search)? Your actions have consequences, not from the 'powers that be'
> but just because of the way stuff works. Usenet articles now appear on
> the web thanks to gateways, in any language you like.

Yes, I do remember. I try not to do it too often, but RonNNN made a
special request so that he can pick up items of possible interest.

> Instead of clicking the link, try clicking the "Translate this page"
> link.

It makes little difference here.

> See that the content has nothing to do with the web user interface.

I regret that I do not understand what you mean.

[FromTheRafters]

"~BD~" <~BD~@nomail.afraid.org> wrote in message
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> FromTheRafters wrote:
>> "~BD~"<~BD~@nomail.afraid.org> wrote in message
>> news:GbadnV3MTaCwljPRnZ2dnUVZ8oadnZ2d@bt.com...
> [....]
>
>>> I was amazed to see that the names of Andrew Taylor and Peter Foldes
>>> appeared in what is a site in a foreign language!
>>
>> Why does that surprise and amaze you?
>
> It's part of my nature I suppose!
>
>> While normally, using such a string for a search would yield results
>> where that information was *only* in the headers or your google posts
>> (that is, it would return all of your posts, and only your posts).
>> Since
>> you (or someone else, but probably you) has taken to posting the
>> headers
>> in the body, now that string appears in the bodies of all posts and
>> followups to posts that didn't edit it out. You (or someone else, but
>> probably you) have poisoned your own search results by posting your
>> header information in the bodies of posts and crossposting.
>
> Ah! Maybe that explains much. I didn't know that Google searches only
> the bodies of posts.

That's not what I said, the thing is that fullquoted followup (reply)
posts will propagate the bodies (and hence your search string) to posts
which aren't yours. They wouldn't propagate it if it were only in the
header (the references header provides the threading, so your MID does
get propagated, but not your account # or posting host address etc...

> However, I'm quite certain I must have posted *many* more than 3 or 4
> headers (or parts of same) into message bodies over the years. My real
> surprise was that so *few* results were found.

Was that a Google Groups search? Or did you search the web?

> .... and those that /were/ found referred to AT and PF!

Those had your header information (in the body) splattered on a webpage.
Some, but not all, usenet posts get transplanted to the web.

>> Do you remember an earlier discussion we had about this (regarding
>> changing subject lines of posts and how it affects the ability to
>> search)? Your actions have consequences, not from the 'powers that
>> be'
>> but just because of the way stuff works. Usenet articles now appear
>> on
>> the web thanks to gateways, in any language you like.
>
> Yes, I do remember. I try not to do it too often, but RonNNN made a
> special request so that he can pick up items of possible interest.
>
>> Instead of clicking the link, try clicking the "Translate this page"
>> link.
>
> It makes little difference here.
>
>> See that the content has nothing to do with the web user interface.
>
> I regret that I do not understand what you mean.

The content is from Usenet, not the foreign language website. 'Translate
this page' does not seem to affect that content.

[~BD~]

FromTheRafters wrote:
> "~BD~"<~BD~@nomail.afraid.org> wrote in message
> news:yPednYdgGaVQpDPRnZ2dnUVZ8hidnZ2d@bt.com...
>> FromTheRafters wrote:
>>> "~BD~"<~BD~@nomail.afraid.org> wrote in message
>>> news:GbadnV3MTaCwljPRnZ2dnUVZ8oadnZ2d@bt.com...
>> [....]
>>
>>>> I was amazed to see that the names of Andrew Taylor and Peter Foldes
>>>> appeared in what is a site in a foreign language!
>>>
>>> Why does that surprise and amaze you?
>>
>> It's part of my nature I suppose!
>>
>>> While normally, using such a string for a search would yield results
>>> where that information was *only* in the headers or your google posts
>>> (that is, it would return all of your posts, and only your posts).
>>> Since
>>> you (or someone else, but probably you) has taken to posting the
>>> headers
>>> in the body, now that string appears in the bodies of all posts and
>>> followups to posts that didn't edit it out. You (or someone else, but
>>> probably you) have poisoned your own search results by posting your
>>> header information in the bodies of posts and crossposting.
>>
>> Ah! Maybe that explains much. I didn't know that Google searches only
>> the bodies of posts.
>
> That's not what I said, the thing is that fullquoted followup (reply)
> posts will propagate the bodies (and hence your search string) to posts
> which aren't yours. They wouldn't propagate it if it were only in the
> header (the references header provides the threading, so your MID does
> get propagated, but not your account # or posting host address etc...

I'm sorry if I've misunderstood.

>> However, I'm quite certain I must have posted *many* more than 3 or 4
>> headers (or parts of same) into message bodies over the years. My real
>> surprise was that so *few* results were found.
>
> Was that a Google Groups search? Or did you search the web?

I'm not meaning to be difficult when I say "can't you tell that from the
link I provided?"

I've just done a GG search and get just *one* hit (one that I am not at
all surprised by!) This is it:

http://groups.google.com/group/24hou...Y9OG9o84m_JMU6

You will note that, unlike the original link, this one starts with
"groups.google.com"

>> .... and those that /were/ found referred to AT and PF!
>
> Those had your header information (in the body) splattered on a webpage.
> Some, but not all, usenet posts get transplanted to the web.

I don't have much information about that. I *do* remember much fuss
being made on the Microsoft Communities sites about it being better not
to use the Web Interface facility and it being better to use Outlook
Express.

I had no idea at the time that this would mean making and receiving
posts to/from Usenet - a far more dangerous place (IMO).

>>> Do you remember an earlier discussion we had about this (regarding
>>> changing subject lines of posts and how it affects the ability to
>>> search)? Your actions have consequences, not from the 'powers that
>>> be' but just because of the way stuff works. Usenet articles now appear
>>> on the web thanks to gateways, in any language you like.
>>
>> Yes, I do remember. I try not to do it too often, but RonNNN made a
>> special request so that he can pick up items of possible interest.
>>
>>> Instead of clicking the link, try clicking the "Translate this page"
>>> link.
>>
>> It makes little difference here.
>>
>>> See that the content has nothing to do with the web user interface.
>>
>> I regret that I do not understand what you mean.
>
> The content is from Usenet, not the foreign language website. 'Translate
> this page' does not seem to affect that content.

I accept what you say, FTR.

Your help and advice *is* much appreciated. Thank you.

Dave

[FromTheRafters]

"~BD~" <~BD~@nomail.afraid.org> wrote in message
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If you want to add a crosspost, do it yourself - please do not attempt
to make it look like *I* added it.

I resent your use of "Followup-to:" to make me look like a troll.

[Dustin]

"FromTheRafters" <erratic@nomail.afraid.org> wrote in
news:i8ln32$egq$1@news.eternal-september.org:

> "~BD~" <~BD~@nomail.afraid.org> wrote in message
> news:yPednYdgGaVQpDPRnZ2dnUVZ8hidnZ2d@bt.com...
>
> If you want to add a crosspost, do it yourself - please do not
> attempt to make it look like *I* added it.
>
> I resent your use of "Followup-to:" to make me look like a troll.
>
>
>

LOL. Trust me, he doesn't care if you resent something he does. It'll
continue under the guise of friendship until you smarten up. ;p


--
Some people are like a Slinky. Not much good for anything, but you can't
help but smile when one tumbles down the stairs.

[~BD~]

FromTheRafters wrote:
> "~BD~"<~BD~@nomail.afraid.org> wrote in message
> news:yPednYdgGaVQpDPRnZ2dnUVZ8hidnZ2d@bt.com...
>
> If you want to add a crosspost, do it yourself - please do not attempt
> to make it look like *I* added it.
>
> I resent your use of "Followup-to:" to make me look like a troll.

Your comment concerns me.

Again, I do not understand what you are inferring. AFAICR, the only
times I've attempted to use "Follow-up" is when posting from Google
Groups (when my posting name is BoaterDave in full). I've not explored
how to do so in SeaMonkey - although I do sometimes add another
newsgroup in my address bar before I post.

When I did do so, RonNNN chastised me for my action, so I avoid using
the facility.

I had/have no wish or desire to make you look like a troll, FTR.

You will have to explain in more detail if you want me to recognise what
you are annoyed about. Regardless, I'm sorry if I have unwittingly upset
you.