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  1. #1
    ~BD~ Guest

    Re: A Google Groups conundrum

    On 26/08/2010 16:23, Dustin wrote:
    > ~BD~<.BoaterDave@hotmail.co.uk.> wrote in
    > news:NNKdna1Jh_5RoujRnZ2dnUVZ7vSdnZ2d@bt.com:
    >
    >> On 25/08/2010 16:25, FromTheRafters wrote:
    >>
    >>>>> The first line sounds really reassuring, like this is all you
    >>>>> need. It isn't.
    >>>>
    >>>> You haven't explained "It isn't". More detail requested!
    >>>
    >>> http://news.cnet.com/8301-27080_3-10444561-245.html

    >>
    >> *Thank you*! A really good article which I recall reading at the
    >> time (or thereabouts) of its publication.

    >
    > Mostly marketing FUD. Cluley was good for that. not much else.


    I don't agree with that. The cnet article was, AFAICT, an attempt by the
    author Elinor Mills to elicit a wide range of views from industry
    professionals

    >> "Graham Cluley, senior technical consultant with Sophos anti-virus
    >> believes Raid could now be in big trouble. He said, "Raid is playing
    >> a very, very dangerous game. The US authorities have shown that they
    >> are prepared to pursue this sort of thing by any means."

    >
    > Yes, well; obviously that never happened. Raid didn't do anything they
    > could prove was illegal. Cluley was nothing more than a glorified
    > mouthpiece for Sophos antivirus.


    Is he not still?

    He has held down his job with Sophos far longer than you were able to
    hold down yours with Malwarebytes! ;-)

    >> Cluley thinks that this case could also have put the wind up Raid.
    >> He added, "Raid has been fairly quiet of late. Maybe he's just
    >> getting on with his real life, or he's found girls or something, but
    >> he could well have taken a look at this case and got the
    >> heebie-jeebies.""
    >>
    >> <Raid is our very own Dustin Cook!>

    >
    > Are you trying again to start trouble?


    Not at all!

    > Not that it matters much in this
    > case, Cluley was full of hot air looking for free media publications
    > (ie: free advertising for sophos). Back then, as they still tend to do,
    > many publications just take those individuals word as if it comes from
    > God himself.


    Reporters for magazines and newspapers have to take advice from
    *someone* and Graham Cluley has a good reputation I believe. Do you
    think otherwise?

    > That article of Cluley's is well over 10 years old and has nothing
    > whatsoever to do with google groups OR mac malware. So why did you feel
    > the need to post a section of it and then point towards me?


    Did you actually read the cnet article? Do you know anything about the
    author? http://www.cnet.com/profile/elinormills/

    Elinor is a Senior Writer - you may watch her chatting here if you wish:
    http://www.cnet.com/profile/elinormills/#videos

    I wanted to make sure posters on Scorched-Earth know you for what you
    really are. I've read slanging matches between you and Graham on Google
    Groups, most of which I guess you'd like to be forgotten. For his part,
    I have *him* down in my 'good guy' book. Although I can't find you on
    Wikipedia, one may read a bit about Graham here:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graham_Cluley

    I've never actually seen any article about you written by Graham Cluley
    - maybe you are thinking of the article published here:

    http://www.zdnet.co.uk/news/security...racks-2073298/

    HTH

    D.

  2. #2
    Dustin Guest

    Re: A Google Groups conundrum

    ~BD~ <.BoaterDave@hotmail.co.uk.> wrote in
    news7SdnSTWRfeBBOvRnZ2dnUVZ8vidnZ2d@bt.com:

    >> Mostly marketing FUD. Cluley was good for that. not much else.

    >
    > I don't agree with that. The cnet article was, AFAICT, an attempt by
    > the author Elinor Mills to elicit a wide range of views from
    > industry professionals


    I really don't care if you agree.. I wasn't stating an opinion in so
    much as I was stating a fact..

    >>> "Graham Cluley, senior technical consultant with Sophos anti-virus
    >>> believes Raid could now be in big trouble. He said, "Raid is
    >>> playing a very, very dangerous game. The US authorities have shown
    >>> that they are prepared to pursue this sort of thing by any means."

    >>
    >> Yes, well; obviously that never happened. Raid didn't do anything
    >> they could prove was illegal. Cluley was nothing more than a
    >> glorified mouthpiece for Sophos antivirus.

    >
    > Is he not still?


    AFAIK, he is.

    >> Are you trying again to start trouble?

    >
    > Not at all!


    No? Strange, considering you pasted an article which has nothing to do
    with the conversation. What else would you bother pasting an article
    badmouthing me?

    >> Not that it matters much in this
    >> case, Cluley was full of hot air looking for free media
    >> publications (ie: free advertising for sophos). Back then, as they
    >> still tend to do, many publications just take those individuals
    >> word as if it comes from God himself.

    >
    > Reporters for magazines and newspapers have to take advice from
    > *someone* and Graham Cluley has a good reputation I believe. Do you
    > think otherwise?


    Cluley has a reputation as being a mouthpiece, nothing more; nothing
    less.

    >> That article of Cluley's is well over 10 years old and has nothing
    >> whatsoever to do with google groups OR mac malware. So why did you
    >> feel the need to post a section of it and then point towards me?

    >
    > Did you actually read the cnet article? Do you know anything about
    > the author? http://www.cnet.com/profile/elinormills/


    I read the article when it was first published; I'm sure I have it
    archived here someplace. Again, it has nothing whatsoever to do with
    the conversation at hand; The reporter has written several other
    articles, so there was no real valid reason for you to cite that one in
    particular and reference me.

    > Elinor is a Senior Writer - you may watch her chatting here if you
    > wish: http://www.cnet.com/profile/elinormills/#videos


    Again, this article has nothing to do with the conversation here.

    > I wanted to make sure posters on Scorched-Earth know you for what
    > you really are. I've read slanging matches between you and Graham on
    > Google Groups, most of which I guess you'd like to be forgotten. For
    > his part, I have *him* down in my 'good guy' book. Although I can't
    > find you on Wikipedia, one may read a bit about Graham here:
    > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graham_Cluley


    To know me for what I really am? Yet, you quote a snippit of an article
    written more than 10 years ago for this? Do you think I'm trying to
    hide in some fashion and your doing the noble thing by preventing it?
    Is that what you think is going on?

    Why would you be able to find me on wikipedia? I'm nobodies mouth
    piece. Your a sick ****, BD.




    --
    "I like your Christ. I don't like your Christians. They are so unlike
    your Christ." - author unknown.

  3. #3
    Aardvark Guest

    Re: A Google Groups conundrum

    On Thu, 26 Aug 2010 17:41:00 +0100, ~BD~ wrote:

    > I wanted to make sure posters on Scorched-Earth know you for what you
    > really are.


    I, for one, don't give a **** what he did in previous incarnations. We
    all grow up.



    --
    "When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle.
    Then I realised God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and
    prayed for forgiveness." - Emo Phillips

  4. #4
    ~BD~ Guest

    Re: A Google Groups conundrum

    On 27/08/2010 01:04, Aardvark wrote:
    > On Thu, 26 Aug 2010 17:41:00 +0100, ~BD~ wrote:
    >
    >> I wanted to make sure posters on Scorched-Earth know you for what you
    >> really are.

    >
    > I, for one, don't give a **** what he did in previous incarnations. We
    > all grow up.
    >


    Believe it or not ..... IAWTP!




  5. #5
    StevieO Guest

    Re: A Google Groups conundrum

    Cross posting ****wit.

    bd's little *****.


    "Aardvark" <aardvark@youllnever.know> wrote in message
    news:i56vdv$4hh$1@news.eternal-september.org...
    On Thu, 26 Aug 2010 17:41:00 +0100, ~BD~ wrote:

    > I wanted to make sure posters on Scorched-Earth know you for what you
    > really are.


    I, for one, don't give a **** what he did in previous incarnations. We
    all grow up.



    --
    "When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle.
    Then I realised God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and
    prayed for forgiveness." - Emo Phillips


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