Re: A Google Groups conundrum

[~BD~]

Peter Foldes wrote:
>> Is this your way of apologising for the mistake *you* made, Peter?
>
> BTW. It is apologizing and not apologising (learn to spell David)
>
> Dave
>
> You see that you are a Troll. Apology for what. No error made? You are
> Trolling as is Jenn. It is amusing to read. :-)


Read here Mr Foldes:-

http://www.apple.com/why-mac/better-os/#viruses

Where Apple states ............

"With virtually no effort on your part, Mac OS X defends against viruses
and other malicious applications, or malware. For example, it thwarts
hackers through a technique called “sandboxing” — restricting what
actions programs can perform on your Mac, what files they can access,
and what other programs they can launch. Other automatic security
features include Library Randomization, which prevents malicious
commands from finding their targets, and Execute Disable, which protects
the memory in your Mac from attacks."


What - *exactly* - is it that you cannot understand?

Surely you aren't trying to tell me that the Apple web site is telling
readers lies, are you?

If so, you will have to justify your assertion!

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[Peter Foldes]

Yeah right. They are going to admit wrong. Sales is the keyword. You are a dumb
Troll

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"~BD~" <BoaterDave@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Peter Foldes wrote:
>>> Is this your way of apologising for the mistake *you* made, Peter?

[Quilljar]

Apologising is UK English, and therefore preferable to 'apologizing' which
is USA English !

Q

"~BD~" <BoaterDave@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Peter Foldes wrote:
>>> Is this your way of apologising for the mistake *you* made, Peter?
>>
>> BTW. It is apologizing and not apologising (learn to spell David)
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> You see that you are a Troll. Apology for what. No error made? You are
>> Trolling as is Jenn. It is amusing to read. :-)
>
>
> Read here Mr Foldes:-
>
> http://www.apple.com/why-mac/better-os/#viruses
>
> Where Apple states ............
>
> "With virtually no effort on your part, Mac OS X defends against viruses
> and other malicious applications, or malware. For example, it thwarts
> hackers through a technique called “sandboxing” — restricting what actions
> programs can perform on your Mac, what files they can access, and what
> other programs they can launch. Other automatic security features include
> Library Randomization, which prevents malicious commands from finding
> their targets, and Execute Disable, which protects the memory in your Mac
> from attacks."
>
>
> What - *exactly* - is it that you cannot understand?
>
> Surely you aren't trying to tell me that the Apple web site is telling
> readers lies, are you?
>
> If so, you will have to justify your assertion!
>
> --
> Dave

[~BD~]

On 24/08/2010 14:46, Quilljar wrote:

> Apologising is UK English, and therefore preferable to 'apologizing'
> which is USA English !
>
> Q


*Exactly* !!!!!!

Thanks for that 'Q'

[FromTheRafters]

"~BD~" <BoaterDave@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
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> http://www.apple.com/why-mac/better-os/#viruses
>
> Where Apple states ............
>
> "With virtually no effort on your part, Mac OS X defends
> against viruses and other malicious applications, or malware.

[...]

Marketing crap.

[...]


> What - *exactly* - is it that you cannot understand?

Why time slows down in intense gravity *and* high velocity - both of
which apply to a body closely approaching a black hole.

....how is it *ever* going to get there (as if there were actually a
there, there in the first place)?

> Surely you aren't trying to tell me that the Apple web site is telling
> readers lies, are you?

Why not? Their version of the truth seems incomplete to me. They seem to
think malware has to be something other than an application that the
user decided to execute, and that stolen computing power in a sandbox is
somehow of less value than stolen computing power outside a sandbox.

[...]

[~BD~]

On 25/08/2010 02:25, FromTheRafters wrote:
> "~BD~"<BoaterDave@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
> newsvKdnSWv7ojnKO7RnZ2dnUVZ8tCdnZ2d@bt.com...
>
>> http://www.apple.com/why-mac/better-os/#viruses
>>
>> Where Apple states ............
>>
>> "With virtually no effort on your part, Mac OS X defends
>> against viruses and other malicious applications, or malware.
>
> [...]
>
> Marketing crap.
>
> [...]


I'd like you to explain which items on this web page are , as you call
it, "Marketing Crap"

http://www.apple.com/macosx/security/

There must, surely, be legislation in the USA which forbids a
corporation to publish incorrect or misleading information to the
population as a whole.

If something really *is* wrong, to which authority should such a matter
be reported?

--
Dave

[FromTheRafters]

"~BD~" <BoaterDave@hotmail.co.uk.> wrote in message
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> On 25/08/2010 02:25, FromTheRafters wrote:
>> "~BD~"<BoaterDave@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
>> newsvKdnSWv7ojnKO7RnZ2dnUVZ8tCdnZ2d@bt.com...
>>
>>> http://www.apple.com/why-mac/better-os/#viruses
>>>
>>> Where Apple states ............
>>>
>>> "With virtually no effort on your part, Mac OS X defends
>>> against viruses and other malicious applications, or malware.
>>
>> [...]
>>
>> Marketing crap.
>>
>> [...]
>
>
> I'd like you to explain which items on this web page are , as you call
> it, "Marketing Crap"

The first line sounds really reassuring, like this is all you need. It
isn't. The second line, most people will read as Macs don't get viruses.
I'm sure they realize that, but why should they remove that statement if
they don't have to (it is not incorrect as they have worded it). You can
believe whatever you want about the rest of it, it is all down to just
my opinion anyway, it looks to me like they concentrate on the malware
that exploits software flaws and installs itself as if that is the only
type of malware. Other items are listed and the reader probably assumes
that they are unique to the Mac OS. Where would *you* draw the line
between "misleading information" and the right of an advertiser to allow
readers to make their own (perhaps even wrong) assumptions?

> http://www.apple.com/macosx/security/
>
> There must, surely, be legislation in the USA which forbids a
> corporation to publish incorrect or misleading information to the
> population as a whole.

I remember hearing about the USA enacting "Truth in Advertising" laws
when I was younger.

....wondering what ever became of those... \

Oh, I remember "Happy Fun Ball". D

[~BD~]

On 25/08/2010 13:51, FromTheRafters wrote:
> "~BD~"<BoaterDave@hotmail.co.uk.> wrote in message
> news:l_2dnW1oYfEsRenRnZ2dnUVZ8uSdnZ2d@bt.com...
>> On 25/08/2010 02:25, FromTheRafters wrote:
>>> "~BD~"<BoaterDave@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
>>> newsvKdnSWv7ojnKO7RnZ2dnUVZ8tCdnZ2d@bt.com...
>>>
>>>> http://www.apple.com/why-mac/better-os/#viruses
>>>>
>>>> Where Apple states ............
>>>>
>>>> "With virtually no effort on your part, Mac OS X defends
>>>> against viruses and other malicious applications, or malware.
>>>
>>> [...]
>>>
>>> Marketing crap.
>>>
>>> [...]
>>
>>
>> I'd like you to explain which items on this web page are , as you call
>> it, "Marketing Crap"
>
> The first line sounds really reassuring, like this is all you need. It
> isn't.

You haven't explained "It isn't". More detail requested!

The second line, most people will read as Macs don't get viruses.
> I'm sure they realize that, but why should they remove that statement if
> they don't have to (it is not incorrect as they have worded it). You can
> believe whatever you want about the rest of it, it is all down to just
> my opinion anyway.

That's true, but I enjoy reading *your* opinions!

> It looks to me like they concentrate on the malware
> that exploits software flaws and installs itself as if that is the only
> type of malware. Other items are listed and the reader probably assumes
> that they are unique to the Mac OS. Where would *you* draw the line
> between "misleading information" and the right of an advertiser to allow
> readers to make their own (perhaps even wrong) assumptions?

FWIW, although I partially accept your premise, I don't consider
technical information issued by a major manufacture to be 'advertising'
per se. It *should* be factual and truthful.

>> http://www.apple.com/macosx/security/
>>
>> There must, surely, be legislation in the USA which forbids a
>> corporation to publish incorrect or misleading information to the
>> population as a whole.
>
> I remember hearing about the USA enacting "Truth in Advertising" laws
> when I was younger.
>
> ...wondering what ever became of those... \
>
> Oh, I remember "Happy Fun Ball". D

More need to investigate! That HFB rang no bells here.

But there's always a bright side - I found this .... and laughed out
loud! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3NrL...eature=related

Cheers!

Dave

[FromTheRafters]

"~BD~" <BoaterDave@hotmail.co.uk.> wrote in message
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> On 25/08/2010 13:51, FromTheRafters wrote:
>> "~BD~"<BoaterDave@hotmail.co.uk.> wrote in message
>> news:l_2dnW1oYfEsRenRnZ2dnUVZ8uSdnZ2d@bt.com...
>>> On 25/08/2010 02:25, FromTheRafters wrote:
>>>> "~BD~"<BoaterDave@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
>>>> newsvKdnSWv7ojnKO7RnZ2dnUVZ8tCdnZ2d@bt.com...
>>>>
>>>>> http://www.apple.com/why-mac/better-os/#viruses
>>>>>
>>>>> Where Apple states ............
>>>>>
>>>>> "With virtually no effort on your part, Mac OS X defends
>>>>> against viruses and other malicious applications, or malware.
>>>>
>>>> [...]
>>>>
>>>> Marketing crap.
>>>>
>>>> [...]
>>>
>>>
>>> I'd like you to explain which items on this web page are , as you
>>> call
>>> it, "Marketing Crap"
>>
>> The first line sounds really reassuring, like this is all you need.
>> It
>> isn't.
>
> You haven't explained "It isn't". More detail requested!

http://news.cnet.com/8301-27080_3-10444561-245.html

Another thing is that an OS is built to aid the user in executing users'
choice programs, not about making those choices *for* the user. This
whole "With virtually no effort on your part..." caters to lazy
practices - which is where such security often fails. Sometimes what is
and is not malware lies in the choices a user makes, not in some
software exploit. Yes, even Mac users should realize that it is *their*
responibility to implement security, not some software's responsibility.

[Peter Foldes]

David

You are a hard headed ignoramus. Give it up already. Macs can and do get infected on
a much smaller rate than PC's but they do get infected. Advertising by Apple even
HINTING that they do not is not right. It is worded on the Mac page as to sound they
are not is a very clever marketing ploy and the way it is put forward to the public
sounds different . But if you any resemblance of intelligence then you can read
between the lines in the advertising that it is not the case completely as presented


One of many links that touch on Mac's and viruses
http://antivirus.about.com/od/macint..._Resources.htm

Using Bing as your search engine type in Mac and viruses and you will have
75,800,000 results confirming what you are squawking against


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> On 25/08/2010 02:25, FromTheRafters wrote:
>> "~BD~"<BoaterDave@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
>> newsvKdnSWv7ojnKO7RnZ2dnUVZ8tCdnZ2d@bt.com...
>>
>>> http://www.apple.com/why-mac/better-os/#viruses
>>>
>>> Where Apple states ............
>>>
>>> "With virtually no effort on your part, Mac OS X defends
>>> against viruses and other malicious applications, or malware.
>>
>> [...]
>>
>> Marketing crap.
>>
>> [...]
>
>
> I'd like you to explain which items on this web page are , as you call it,
> "Marketing Crap"
>
> http://www.apple.com/macosx/security/
>
> There must, surely, be legislation in the USA which forbids a corporation to
> publish incorrect or misleading information to the population as a whole.
>
> If something really *is* wrong, to which authority should such a matter be
> reported?
>
> --
> Dave