JD wrote:
> ~BD~ wrote:
>> FromTheRafters wrote:
>>> "~BD~"<BoaterDave@hot.mail.co.uk> wrote in message
>>> news:8aydnQR6ar0tr0DWnZ2dnUVZ8oKdnZ2d@bt.com...
>>>> FromTheRafters wrote:
>>>>> "~BD~"<BoaterDave@hot.mail.co.uk> wrote in message
>>>>> news:156dnS2rcsGUg0HWnZ2dnUVZ8o6dnZ2d@bt.com...
>>>> [...]
>>>>>> *What if* ....... ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One or more of those 'trusted' malware cleaning forums (or even a
>>>>>> trusted software programme) could, surely, download such a programme
>>>>>> onto a user's machine so that, forever afterwards, whatever is done
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> that machine may be monitored by an outside agency.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you for responding FTR!
>>>>
>>>>> That's not very likely,
>>>>
>>>> But .... *I* believe that it is *possible*!
>>>> ********
>>>>
>>>> As I've said elsewhere ..........
>>>>
>>>> "What a super ruse it would be, eh? - to clear a machine of everyone
>>>> else's 'nasties' but then, perhaps, leave their own package installed
>>>> on the user's machine. No one would ever suspect, would they?"
>>>>
>>>>> such a trojan would soon be discovered and dealt
>>>>> with - very bad for the 'trusted' source's reputation.[...]
>>>>
>>>> Now this is where we seem to have a *real* difference of opinion, FTR!
>>>>
>>>> Just *who* would discover such covert malware. With today's high-speed
>>>> and powerful machines a *user* is highly *unlikely* to discover that
>>>> they have become part of a botnet! If their /cleaned/ machine is
>>>> performing *better* that it had in a long while, why would the *user*
>>>> suspect anything untoward?
>>>
>>> Bigger picture:
>>>
>>> Remember the quote about how you can fool some of the people some of the
>>> time, but you can't fool all of the people all of the time?
>>
>> “You may fool all the people some of the time, you can even fool some of
>> the people all of the time, but you cannot fool all of the people all
>> the time.” Abraham Lincoln
>>
>>> Malware like
>>> that relies on the first part of that quote. It doesn't care about the
>>> second part because there is no shortage of fools. Such software does
>>> eventually get discovered, but usually cannot be traced back to a single
>>> source - there are many sources and they change location often. If
>>> someone has a *real firewall* then this type of commercial malware's
>>> activities can soon be discovered.
>>>
>>> So asking "who would" is the wrong question - the individual is
>>> insignificant in comparison to the whole. Instead you must ask yourself
>>> if *anybody* would discover the hidden function, and what that would
>>> mean to an otherwise legitimate (contactable) business.
>>
>> OK. Let' use an example.
>>
>> I do not consider Aumha.net to be a business (do you?)
>>
>> Let's say someone goes there for the cleaning of their machine and all
>> seems to go to plan. Is there *any* company/organisation which makes
>> random checks on such 'help' sites to ensure that nothing untoward,
>> along the lines which I've described, is happening - to ensure that they
>> are *not* compromising the machines of naive 'customers'?
>>
>>>> My limited understanding of matters is that once a machine is under
>>>> the control of a botmaster, all personal control is effectively lost.
>>>>
>>>> Do you dispute this?
>>>
>>> Yes, but I may be reading it differently than you are. It would depend
>>> on how much control is still afforded you by the nature of the offending
>>> program.
>>
>> Perhaps you are. I meant that an outside agency may do whatever they
>> wish - whenever they wish - with the owner of the machine being
>> completely unaware of the 'intruder'. This may only be achieved if the
>> user can still carry out whatever he/she wishes to do and does not
>> become suspicious in any way.
>>
>> HTH
>>
>
> boater Dave, You are so full of $hit my monitor stinks when I see your
> messages. Try a slow boat to anywhere but these newsgroups. OK?
>

You might enjoy life more if you stopped complaining about things over
which you have no control. None whatsoever!

No one *makes* you read what I have to say (there again, maybe you
don't!) and it costs you nothing. Simply ignore me if what I say offends
you.

Enjoy your day!

BD