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  1. #1
    Peter Foldes Guest

    Re: Dustin

    There you go. Showing what you are all about. All I said to you and I did put it
    nicely "Do not involve yourself between BD and others" I guess this is too much for
    you to bare. " The authority here in the alt. groups seems to be you and darn it
    Jenn you just showed it. Good luck to you .

    --
    Peter

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    "Jenn" <me@nowhere.whocareswhatthisemailisanyway> wrote in message
    news:hpvhh9$fm4$1@news.eternal-september.org...
    > "Peter Foldes" <okf22@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > news:hpvh11$cr0$1@speranza.aioe.org...
    >> Then Jenn you need to do as I asked of you before. Stay out of these BD posts for
    >> him and or against him. You make yourself out as a Troll and the defender when it
    >> comes to BD. Do not want to get involved then do not post answers as you did in
    >> this thread and in others. You are not doing any favors to yourself. Stay NEUTRAL
    >> and do not answer posts concerning others and BD
    >>

    >
    > Peter... don't tell me what to do... my name was in the post I responded to,
    > therefore, I felt no problem with me posting a response.
    >
    > You make yourself out to be some sort of authority to demand I do one thing and
    > not do another thing. If you or anyone else does not want me responding, then
    > don't include my name in posts discussing issues you have with Dave. In case you
    > did not notice, I responded to the portion of the post that had my name in it and
    > snipped out the rest of the post.
    >
    > My intent is to comment on what has to do with me ... I am an individual and would
    > appreciate being treated as an individual capable of making up my own mind, and
    > responding to whatever I see fit to respond to.
    >
    > Now, if you'd like to be friends, tell me now so I will know if it is even
    > possible to make the attempt.
    > --
    > Jenn (from Oklahoma)
    > http://pqlr.org/bbs/
    >



  2. #2
    Jenn Guest

    Re: Dustin

    "Peter Foldes" <okf22@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:hpvqpm$so9$1@speranza.aioe.org...
    > There you go. Showing what you are all about. All I said to you and I did
    > put it nicely "Do not involve yourself between BD and others" I guess this
    > is too much for you to bare. " The authority here in the alt. groups seems
    > to be you and darn it Jenn you just showed it. Good luck to you .
    >



    I am a woman...a mother, a wife (married going on 30 yrs this May), and a
    grandmother, and I don't like you or any other man trying to tell me what to
    do, Peter ... I have a mind of my own and intend on using it. What gives
    you the right to tell me whether or not to respond to anyone, especially if
    they have made a comment regarding me in their post?

    I am up front with how I feel about things, so there isn't any me *showing*
    what I'm all about, because I am just who I am all the time. I say what is
    on my mind.

    You did not answer my question, either. Do you want to try to be friends or
    not? Friends should be able to be up front with each other and even
    disagree on issues from time to time.. and still be able to maintain their
    friendship. I don't have to agree with everything you say and vice versa in
    order to be friends with someone. I'm willing to keep trying if you are
    willing.
    --
    Jenn (from Oklahoma)
    http://pqlr.org/bbs/



  3. #3
    ~BD~ Guest

    Re: Dustin

    Jenn wrote:
    >> What gives you the right to tell me whether or not to
    >> respond to anyone, especially if they have made a comment regarding
    >> me in their post?
    >>
    >> I am up front with how I feel about things, so there isn't any me
    >> *showing* what I'm all about, because I am just who I am all the
    >> time. I say what is on my mind.
    >>
    >> You did not answer my question, either. Do you want to try to be
    >> friends or not? Friends should be able to be up front with each
    >> other and even disagree on issues from time to time.. and still be
    >> able to maintain their friendship. I don't have to agree with
    >> everything you say and vice versa in order to be friends with
    >> someone. I'm willing to keep trying if you are willing.
    >> --
    >> Jenn (from Oklahoma)
    >> http://pqlr.org/bbs/



    Hi Jenn!

    There is something of the night about Peter Foldes, as I've mentioned
    many times.

    He most certainly will show you no respect whatever, mark my words.

    Dustin? A good guy? He has had me banned/excluded from Malwarebytes,
    rather that have a continuing dialogue. That is *not* good behaviour
    IMO. Maybe someone has something to hide there after all? Maybe you
    should visit and read the posts I've made there in the past - I did give
    them the benefit of the doubt initially but, it now appears,
    erroneously!
    --
    Dave - working really hard on the boat PF says I do not own! ;-)




  4. #4
    David H. Lipman Guest

    Re: Dustin

    From: "~BD~" <BoaterDaveNoSpam@Hotmail.co.uk>

    | Jenn wrote:
    >>> What gives you the right to tell me whether or not to
    >>> respond to anyone, especially if they have made a comment regarding
    >>> me in their post?


    >>> I am up front with how I feel about things, so there isn't any me
    >>> *showing* what I'm all about, because I am just who I am all the
    >>> time. I say what is on my mind.


    >>> You did not answer my question, either. Do you want to try to be
    >>> friends or not? Friends should be able to be up front with each
    >>> other and even disagree on issues from time to time.. and still be
    >>> able to maintain their friendship. I don't have to agree with
    >>> everything you say and vice versa in order to be friends with
    >>> someone. I'm willing to keep trying if you are willing.
    >>> --
    >>> Jenn (from Oklahoma)
    >>> http://pqlr.org/bbs/



    | Hi Jenn!

    | There is something of the night about Peter Foldes, as I've mentioned
    | many times.

    | He most certainly will show you no respect whatever, mark my words.

    | Dustin? A good guy? He has had me banned/excluded from Malwarebytes,
    | rather that have a continuing dialogue. That is *not* good behaviour
    | IMO. Maybe someone has something to hide there after all? Maybe you
    | should visit and read the posts I've made there in the past - I did give
    | them the benefit of the doubt initially but, it now appears,
    | erroneously!
    | --
    | Dave - working really hard on the boat PF says I do not own! ;-)

    It wasn't Dustin who got you banned!

    YOU got yourself banned because you have no clue what is appropriate or inappropriate
    behaviour.

    Posting the soft porn picture in the Easter thread got you banned. The first time you
    posted it, it was summarily removed. When you posted it a second time Marcin's minions
    pulled your plug w/o hesitation. Your bad mouthing of MBAM didn't help either.
    Malwarebytes' personnel were not happy with your Usenet posts and the comment on Butts'
    blog. That put you on their sh!t list. The soft porn picture was the straw that broke
    the perverbial camel's back.

    /* You're a clueless moron. */

    --
    Dave
    http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html
    Multi-AV - http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp



  5. #5
    Dustin Cook Guest

    Re: Dustin

    "David H. Lipman" <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> wrote in
    news:hqc82c0bpi@news3.newsguy.com:

    > From: "~BD~" <BoaterDaveNoSpam@Hotmail.co.uk>
    >
    >| Jenn wrote:
    >>>> What gives you the right to tell me whether or not to
    >>>> respond to anyone, especially if they have made a comment regarding
    >>>> me in their post?

    >
    >>>> I am up front with how I feel about things, so there isn't any me
    >>>> *showing* what I'm all about, because I am just who I am all the
    >>>> time. I say what is on my mind.

    >
    >>>> You did not answer my question, either. Do you want to try to be
    >>>> friends or not? Friends should be able to be up front with each
    >>>> other and even disagree on issues from time to time.. and still be
    >>>> able to maintain their friendship. I don't have to agree with
    >>>> everything you say and vice versa in order to be friends with
    >>>> someone. I'm willing to keep trying if you are willing.
    >>>> --
    >>>> Jenn (from Oklahoma)
    >>>> http://pqlr.org/bbs/

    >
    >
    >| Hi Jenn!
    >
    >| There is something of the night about Peter Foldes, as I've mentioned
    >| many times.
    >
    >| He most certainly will show you no respect whatever, mark my words.
    >
    >| Dustin? A good guy? He has had me banned/excluded from Malwarebytes,
    >| rather that have a continuing dialogue. That is *not* good behaviour
    >| IMO. Maybe someone has something to hide there after all? Maybe you
    >| should visit and read the posts I've made there in the past - I did
    >| give them the benefit of the doubt initially but, it now appears,
    >| erroneously!
    >| --
    >| Dave - working really hard on the boat PF says I do not own! ;-)
    >
    > It wasn't Dustin who got you banned!
    >
    > YOU got yourself banned because you have no clue what is appropriate
    > or inappropriate behaviour.
    >
    > Posting the soft porn picture in the Easter thread got you banned.
    > The first time you posted it, it was summarily removed. When you
    > posted it a second time Marcin's minions pulled your plug w/o
    > hesitation. Your bad mouthing of MBAM didn't help either.
    > Malwarebytes' personnel were not happy with your Usenet posts and the
    > comment on Butts' blog. That put you on their sh!t list. The soft
    > porn picture was the straw that broke the perverbial camel's back.
    >
    > /* You're a clueless moron. */
    >


    Thanks David. That guy and his female friend really should go play
    elsewhere.


    --
    "Hrrngh! Someday I'm going to hurl this...er...roll this...hrrngh.. nudge
    this boulder right down a cliff." - Goblin Warrior


  6. #6
    T.H Guest

    Re: Dustin

    On 4/17/2010 8:03 AM, David H. Lipman wrote:
    > From: "~BD~"<BoaterDaveNoSpam@Hotmail.co.uk>
    >
    > | Jenn wrote:
    >>>> What gives you the right to tell me whether or not to
    >>>> respond to anyone, especially if they have made a comment regarding
    >>>> me in their post?

    >
    >>>> I am up front with how I feel about things, so there isn't any me
    >>>> *showing* what I'm all about, because I am just who I am all the
    >>>> time. I say what is on my mind.

    >
    >>>> You did not answer my question, either. Do you want to try to be
    >>>> friends or not? Friends should be able to be up front with each
    >>>> other and even disagree on issues from time to time.. and still be
    >>>> able to maintain their friendship. I don't have to agree with
    >>>> everything you say and vice versa in order to be friends with
    >>>> someone. I'm willing to keep trying if you are willing.
    >>>> --
    >>>> Jenn (from Oklahoma)
    >>>> http://pqlr.org/bbs/

    >
    >
    > | Hi Jenn!
    >
    > | There is something of the night about Peter Foldes, as I've mentioned
    > | many times.
    >
    > | He most certainly will show you no respect whatever, mark my words.
    >
    > | Dustin? A good guy? He has had me banned/excluded from Malwarebytes,
    > | rather that have a continuing dialogue. That is *not* good behaviour
    > | IMO. Maybe someone has something to hide there after all? Maybe you
    > | should visit and read the posts I've made there in the past - I did give
    > | them the benefit of the doubt initially but, it now appears,
    > | erroneously!
    > | --
    > | Dave - working really hard on the boat PF says I do not own! ;-)
    >
    > It wasn't Dustin who got you banned!
    >
    > YOU got yourself banned because you have no clue what is appropriate or inappropriate
    > behaviour.
    >
    > Posting the soft porn picture in the Easter thread got you banned. The first time you
    > posted it, it was summarily removed. When you posted it a second time Marcin's minions
    > pulled your plug w/o hesitation. Your bad mouthing of MBAM didn't help either.
    > Malwarebytes' personnel were not happy with your Usenet posts and the comment on Butts'
    > blog. That put you on their sh!t list. The soft porn picture was the straw that broke
    > the perverbial camel's back.
    >
    > /* You're a clueless moron. */
    >

    Since you might not do this for yourself...

    +1



  7. #7
    Dustin Cook Guest

    Re: Dustin

    "~BD~" <BoaterDaveNoSpam@Hotmail.co.uk> wrote in news:hqbs1b$a8f$1
    @news.eternal-september.org:

    > Jenn wrote:
    >>> What gives you the right to tell me whether or not to
    >>> respond to anyone, especially if they have made a comment regarding
    >>> me in their post?
    >>>
    >>> I am up front with how I feel about things, so there isn't any me
    >>> *showing* what I'm all about, because I am just who I am all the
    >>> time. I say what is on my mind.
    >>>
    >>> You did not answer my question, either. Do you want to try to be
    >>> friends or not? Friends should be able to be up front with each
    >>> other and even disagree on issues from time to time.. and still be
    >>> able to maintain their friendship. I don't have to agree with
    >>> everything you say and vice versa in order to be friends with
    >>> someone. I'm willing to keep trying if you are willing.
    >>> --
    >>> Jenn (from Oklahoma)
    >>> http://pqlr.org/bbs/

    >
    >
    > Hi Jenn!
    >
    > There is something of the night about Peter Foldes, as I've mentioned
    > many times.
    >
    > He most certainly will show you no respect whatever, mark my words.


    You have certainly *not* earned respect here, Dave. Respect is not
    something freely given away. You have to earn it. Demonstrate or otherwise
    show you deserve to be respected.

    > Dustin? A good guy? He has had me banned/excluded from Malwarebytes,
    > rather that have a continuing dialogue. That is *not* good behaviour
    > IMO. Maybe someone has something to hide there after all? Maybe you
    > should visit and read the posts I've made there in the past - I did


    *I* have done nothing of the sort. I have *nothing* to do with your ban,
    decietful jerk. I pointed out the blogpost of yours, as I found it to be
    erroneous and intentionally misleading. You targetted malwarebytes because
    of a personal issue you seem to think you have with me.

    I have no control over what malwarebytes does or does not do the
    troublesome trollish posters who enjoy posting nudie pics in a public
    forum. It wasn't until you did that for a 2nd time that you were actually
    banned, truth be told. And again, *I* didn't have a thing to do with it.


    It's not possible to have a dialogue with you; You twist things, cut/paste
    out of context, repost to completely non-revelant groups.



    give
    > them the benefit of the doubt initially but, it now appears,
    > erroneously!




    --
    "Hrrngh! Someday I'm going to hurl this...er...roll this...hrrngh.. nudge
    this boulder right down a cliff." - Goblin Warrior


  8. #8
    Peter Foldes Guest

    Re: Dustin

    Jenn

    Never told you that. What I told you if you care to re-read the post is to stay out
    of the conversation between BD and others. You twist words around just like BD and
    take things out of context and you deserved what you got. You are a nice lady but DO
    NOT stick your nose into the differences I and others with that Idiot and Troll and
    then I will not involve you and others will also not involve you as someone taking
    sides with the wrong issue.

    --
    Peter

    Please Reply to Newsgroup for the benefit of others
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    "Jenn" <me@nowhere.whocareswhatthisemailisanyway> wrote in message
    news:hpvsqa$r5m$1@news.eternal-september.org...
    > "Peter Foldes" <okf22@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > news:hpvqpm$so9$1@speranza.aioe.org...
    >> There you go. Showing what you are all about. All I said to you and I did put it
    >> nicely "Do not involve yourself between BD and others" I guess this is too much
    >> for you to bare. " The authority here in the alt. groups seems to be you and darn
    >> it Jenn you just showed it. Good luck to you .
    >>

    >
    >
    > I am a woman...a mother, a wife (married going on 30 yrs this May), and a
    > grandmother, and I don't like you or any other man trying to tell me what to do,
    > Peter ... I have a mind of my own and intend on using it. What gives you the
    > right to tell me whether or not to respond to anyone, especially if they have made
    > a comment regarding me in their post?
    >
    > I am up front with how I feel about things, so there isn't any me *showing* what
    > I'm all about, because I am just who I am all the time. I say what is on my mind.
    >
    > You did not answer my question, either. Do you want to try to be friends or not?
    > Friends should be able to be up front with each other and even disagree on issues
    > from time to time.. and still be able to maintain their friendship. I don't have
    > to agree with everything you say and vice versa in order to be friends with
    > someone. I'm willing to keep trying if you are willing.
    > --
    > Jenn (from Oklahoma)
    > http://pqlr.org/bbs/
    >



  9. #9
    Jenn Guest

    Re: Dustin


    "Peter Foldes" <okf22@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:hqcfqq$j4i$1@speranza.aioe.org...
    >> news:hpvqpm$so9$1@speranza.aioe.org...
    >>> There you go. Showing what you are all about. All I said to you and I
    >>> did put it nicely "Do not involve yourself between BD and others" I
    >>> guess this is too much for you to bare. " The authority here in the alt.
    >>> groups seems to be you and darn it Jenn you just showed it. Good luck to
    >>> you .



    >> I am a woman...a mother, a wife (married going on 30 yrs this May), and a
    >> grandmother, and I don't like you or any other man trying to tell me what
    >> to do, Peter ... I have a mind of my own and intend on using it. What
    >> gives you the right to tell me whether or not to respond to anyone,
    >> especially if they have made a comment regarding me in their post?


    >> I am up front with how I feel about things, so there isn't any me
    >> *showing* what I'm all about, because I am just who I am all the time. I
    >> say what is on my mind.


    >> You did not answer my question, either. Do you want to try to be friends
    >> or not? Friends should be able to be up front with each other and even
    >> disagree on issues from time to time.. and still be able to maintain
    >> their friendship. I don't have to agree with everything you say and vice
    >> versa in order to be friends with someone. I'm willing to keep trying if
    >> you are willing.





    > Never told you that. What I told you if you care to re-read the post is to
    > stay out of the conversation between BD and others. You twist words around
    > just like BD and take things out of context and you deserved what you got.


    I don't twist anyone's words, Peter. I just say what is on my mind. If
    someone says something is not true, but I know it is true.. I say it is
    true. That isn't twisting anyone's words. I would do the same for you if
    someone said untrue things about you....... just like I posted on SE that I
    believed what you said about when you were young. I defended you on that
    point because I believe you.

    But for me.... to get to know people better... I like to look people in
    their eyes and see their facial expressions and they can see my eyes and my
    facial expressions so we both understand each other better. If you notice,
    I pretty much only comment on what I've seen ... like I've seen and video
    chatted with Dave and his wife and seen family photos and all that stuff.
    Before I video chatted with Dave, I had many doubts about him, too...
    reservations about who he was...etc... but I'm very cautious with people and
    I find it difficult to trust people, anyway, so that is a normal response
    for me until I see people and can look them in the eyes and get to know them
    better. I've never seen you, or heard your voice like in a video chat.
    Seeing people and being able to chat with them is one way I get to know
    people better. I'd be willing to video chat with you, too, so I will know
    the truth about who you are, too. If you know who I am better, you will
    come to understand me better and will see that in my heart I want to do
    right by people because I want them to do right by me, too. It's just the
    right thing to do.

    > You are a nice lady


    I try to be, and I try to get to know people and give them many chances so I
    don't end up misunderstanding them. I also don't want to take up someone
    elses offense... what I mean by that is... I don't want to judge you, for
    example, on the basis of someone elses disagreement with you, like between
    you and dave. I will listen to him and to you, but that will not make my
    decision about who you or he is or is not. There are so many factors
    involved when people don't get along. I can like Dave, but I can also like
    you, too, even if Dave doesn't....... If you say something about Dave that I
    know is not true, I will say so.. and if he says something about you I know
    is not true.. I will also say so to him.

    > but DO NOT stick your nose into the differences I and others with that
    > Idiot and Troll and then I will not involve you and others will also not
    > involve you as someone taking sides with the wrong issue.



    I don't want to get in the middle of you and Dave's issues concerning
    various disagreements, but if I know something is or isn't true, I feel it
    would be wrong of me not to speak up and say so. I don't do it to tick you
    off or anyone else. I do it because I feel it would be wrong of me to keep
    quiet. For me, it is the greater *sin*, you could say, to protect myself
    from attack and to keep quiet, than to offend someone because I told the
    truth. I really don't want to be attacked or offend you either, but if
    someone said an untruth about me I'd want someone to come and tell the truth
    even if it cost them something on my behalf. I do for other people what I
    would want them to do for me. Does this make any sense?

    --
    Jenn (from Oklahoma)



  10. #10
    Peter Foldes Guest

    Re: Dustin

    Jenn

    And I say the same to you
    I am a man ..a father a husband (going on 40 yrs this July), and a
    grandfather, and I don't like you or any other woman or man putting their nose and 2
    cents into the business between me and that idiot Troll David Brooks (aka BD)
    You would like to avoid situations like this Jenn then I would strongly suggest that
    you avoid your opinions either way when it comes to BD and anybody else including me
    concerning him. Stay neutral and avoid any comments to either sides. Life and
    enjoying yourself on these and other groups will be so much more enjoyable for you.
    Have a nice weekend


    --
    Peter

    Please Reply to Newsgroup for the benefit of others
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    "Jenn" <nope@noway.atnohow.anyday> wrote in message
    news:hqcjvv$40q$1@news.eternal-september.org...
    >
    > "Peter Foldes" <okf22@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > news:hqcfqq$j4i$1@speranza.aioe.org...
    >>> news:hpvqpm$so9$1@speranza.aioe.org...
    >>>> There you go. Showing what you are all about. All I said to you and I did put
    >>>> it nicely "Do not involve yourself between BD and others" I guess this is too
    >>>> much for you to bare. " The authority here in the alt. groups seems to be you
    >>>> and darn it Jenn you just showed it. Good luck to you .

    >
    >
    >>> I am a woman...a mother, a wife (married going on 30 yrs this May), and a
    >>> grandmother, and I don't like you or any other man trying to tell me what to do,
    >>> Peter ... I have a mind of my own and intend on using it. What gives you the
    >>> right to tell me whether or not to respond to anyone, especially if they have
    >>> made a comment regarding me in their post?

    >
    >>> I am up front with how I feel about things, so there isn't any me *showing* what
    >>> I'm all about, because I am just who I am all the time. I say what is on my
    >>> mind.

    >
    >>> You did not answer my question, either. Do you want to try to be friends or
    >>> not? Friends should be able to be up front with each other and even disagree on
    >>> issues from time to time.. and still be able to maintain their friendship. I
    >>> don't have to agree with everything you say and vice versa in order to be
    >>> friends with someone. I'm willing to keep trying if you are willing.

    >
    >
    >
    >
    >> Never told you that. What I told you if you care to re-read the post is to stay
    >> out of the conversation between BD and others. You twist words around just like
    >> BD and take things out of context and you deserved what you got.

    >
    > I don't twist anyone's words, Peter. I just say what is on my mind. If someone
    > says something is not true, but I know it is true.. I say it is true. That isn't
    > twisting anyone's words. I would do the same for you if someone said untrue
    > things about you....... just like I posted on SE that I believed what you said
    > about when you were young. I defended you on that point because I believe you.
    >
    > But for me.... to get to know people better... I like to look people in their eyes
    > and see their facial expressions and they can see my eyes and my facial
    > expressions so we both understand each other better. If you notice, I pretty much
    > only comment on what I've seen ... like I've seen and video chatted with Dave and
    > his wife and seen family photos and all that stuff. Before I video chatted with
    > Dave, I had many doubts about him, too... reservations about who he was...etc...
    > but I'm very cautious with people and I find it difficult to trust people, anyway,
    > so that is a normal response for me until I see people and can look them in the
    > eyes and get to know them better. I've never seen you, or heard your voice like
    > in a video chat. Seeing people and being able to chat with them is one way I get
    > to know people better. I'd be willing to video chat with you, too, so I will know
    > the truth about who you are, too. If you know who I am better, you will come to
    > understand me better and will see that in my heart I want to do right by people
    > because I want them to do right by me, too. It's just the right thing to do.
    >
    >> You are a nice lady

    >
    > I try to be, and I try to get to know people and give them many chances so I don't
    > end up misunderstanding them. I also don't want to take up someone elses
    > offense... what I mean by that is... I don't want to judge you, for example, on
    > the basis of someone elses disagreement with you, like between you and dave. I
    > will listen to him and to you, but that will not make my decision about who you or
    > he is or is not. There are so many factors involved when people don't get along.
    > I can like Dave, but I can also like you, too, even if Dave doesn't....... If you
    > say something about Dave that I know is not true, I will say so.. and if he says
    > something about you I know is not true.. I will also say so to him.
    >
    >> but DO NOT stick your nose into the differences I and others with that Idiot and
    >> Troll and then I will not involve you and others will also not involve you as
    >> someone taking sides with the wrong issue.

    >
    >
    > I don't want to get in the middle of you and Dave's issues concerning various
    > disagreements, but if I know something is or isn't true, I feel it would be wrong
    > of me not to speak up and say so. I don't do it to tick you off or anyone else. I
    > do it because I feel it would be wrong of me to keep quiet. For me, it is the
    > greater *sin*, you could say, to protect myself from attack and to keep quiet,
    > than to offend someone because I told the truth. I really don't want to be
    > attacked or offend you either, but if someone said an untruth about me I'd want
    > someone to come and tell the truth even if it cost them something on my behalf. I
    > do for other people what I would want them to do for me. Does this make any
    > sense?
    >
    > --
    > Jenn (from Oklahoma)
    >



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