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  1. #91
    Jenn Guest

    Re: Avast Doesn't Block XP Defender malware (ave.exe)

    "Leythos" <spam999free@rrohio.com> wrote in message
    news:MPG.2627ddd1549355ca98a296@us.news.astraweb.c om...
    > In article <0qGdnVd6od-AjSPWnZ2dnUVZ8nWdnZ2d@bt.com>,
    > BoaterDave@hotmail.co.uk says...
    >> Everyone has a different view! Here's an example:
    >>
    >> <hpkl6h$m5m$1@news.eternal-september.org>
    >>
    >> There, SeaNymph said ........
    >>
    >> "This is usenet. I am free to respond whenever and in whatever manner I
    >> choose. My choosing to inject my comments is no different than you
    >> continuing in a conversation you have been asked to vacate."
    >>

    >
    > Try from an authority instead of some kid that believes in chaos:
    >
    > http://www.newsdemon.com/usenet_term_off-topic.php
    >
    > "
    > Off-Topic Newsgroup Posts
    >
    > Posting something to a newsgroup that does not fit the accepted topic of
    > the group or that belongs in another group altogether. It is important
    > to remember, that when using Usenet, that the segregating of groups that
    > Usenet newsgroups are created in are unique to subject matters.
    > Therefore, off-topic Usenet newsgroup postings can and often are
    > considered to be a method of spam as it saturates the topic of the
    > newsgroup to something that is irrelevant. It is strongly advised to
    > find the particular groups that is generally specific to the matter in
    > which you are posting to. If you are unsure, please be sure to ask
    > questions in your first posting to the newsgroup.
    > "
    >
    > http://www.usenet.net/glossary.html
    >
    > "
    > Off Topic:
    >
    > A post in a Usenet newsgroup which does not meet the guidelines of that
    > newsgroups charter. For example, if you were posting your favorite
    > recipes in alt.cars your post would be off topic.
    > "
    >
    > Troll (Internet)
    > From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    >
    > "In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory,
    > extraneous, or *** off-topic *** messages in an online community, such
    > as an online discussion forum, chat room or blog, with the primary
    > intent of provoking other users into an emotional response or of
    > otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.
    > "
    >



    You forgot this USAGE information of the word Internet Troll:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet)
    Application of the term troll is highly subjective. Some readers may
    characterize a post as trolling, while others may regard the same post as a
    legitimate contribution to the discussion, even if controversial. The term
    is often used as an ad hominem strategy to discredit an opposing position by
    attacking its proponent.
    --
    Jenn (from Oklahoma)
    http://pqlr.org/bbs/



  2. #92
    Leythos Guest

    Re: Avast Doesn't Block XP Defender malware (ave.exe)

    In article <hpl4v5$taj$1@news.eternal-september.org>,
    me@nowhere.whocareswhatthisemailisanyway says...
    >
    > "Leythos" <spam999free@rrohio.com> wrote in message
    > news:MPG.2627ddd1549355ca98a296@us.news.astraweb.c om...
    > > In article <0qGdnVd6od-AjSPWnZ2dnUVZ8nWdnZ2d@bt.com>,
    > > BoaterDave@hotmail.co.uk says...
    > >> Everyone has a different view! Here's an example:
    > >>
    > >> <hpkl6h$m5m$1@news.eternal-september.org>
    > >>
    > >> There, SeaNymph said ........
    > >>
    > >> "This is usenet. I am free to respond whenever and in whatever manner I
    > >> choose. My choosing to inject my comments is no different than you
    > >> continuing in a conversation you have been asked to vacate."
    > >>

    > >
    > > Try from an authority instead of some kid that believes in chaos:
    > >
    > > http://www.newsdemon.com/usenet_term_off-topic.php
    > >
    > > "
    > > Off-Topic Newsgroup Posts
    > >
    > > Posting something to a newsgroup that does not fit the accepted topic of
    > > the group or that belongs in another group altogether. It is important
    > > to remember, that when using Usenet, that the segregating of groups that
    > > Usenet newsgroups are created in are unique to subject matters.
    > > Therefore, off-topic Usenet newsgroup postings can and often are
    > > considered to be a method of spam as it saturates the topic of the
    > > newsgroup to something that is irrelevant. It is strongly advised to
    > > find the particular groups that is generally specific to the matter in
    > > which you are posting to. If you are unsure, please be sure to ask
    > > questions in your first posting to the newsgroup.
    > > "
    > >
    > > http://www.usenet.net/glossary.html
    > >
    > > "
    > > Off Topic:
    > >
    > > A post in a Usenet newsgroup which does not meet the guidelines of that
    > > newsgroups charter. For example, if you were posting your favorite
    > > recipes in alt.cars your post would be off topic.
    > > "
    > >
    > > Troll (Internet)
    > > From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    > >
    > > "In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory,
    > > extraneous, or *** off-topic *** messages in an online community, such
    > > as an online discussion forum, chat room or blog, with the primary
    > > intent of provoking other users into an emotional response or of
    > > otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.
    > > "
    > >

    >
    >
    > You forgot this USAGE information of the word Internet Troll:
    > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet)
    > Application of the term troll is highly subjective. Some readers may
    > characterize a post as trolling, while others may regard the same post as a
    > legitimate contribution to the discussion, even if controversial. The term
    > is often used as an ad hominem strategy to discredit an opposing position by
    > attacking its proponent.


    How does that change the off-topic nature of his continued posting?

    --
    You can't trust your best friends, your five senses, only the little
    voice inside you that most civilians don't even hear -- Listen to that.
    Trust yourself.
    spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)

  3. #93
    Jenn Guest

    Re: Avast Doesn't Block XP Defender malware (ave.exe)

    "Leythos" <spam999free@rrohio.com> wrote in message
    news:MPG.2627e388a1375b6498a297@us.news.astraweb.c om...
    > In article <hpl4v5$taj$1@news.eternal-september.org>,
    > me@nowhere.whocareswhatthisemailisanyway says...


    >> >
    >> > Troll (Internet)
    >> > From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    >> >
    >> > "In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory,
    >> > extraneous, or *** off-topic *** messages in an online community, such
    >> > as an online discussion forum, chat room or blog, with the primary
    >> > intent of provoking other users into an emotional response or of
    >> > otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.
    >> > "
    >> >

    >>
    >>
    >> You forgot this USAGE information of the word Internet Troll:
    >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet)
    >> Application of the term troll is highly subjective. Some readers may
    >> characterize a post as trolling, while others may regard the same post as
    >> a
    >> legitimate contribution to the discussion, even if controversial. The
    >> term
    >> is often used as an ad hominem strategy to discredit an opposing position
    >> by
    >> attacking its proponent.


    > How does that change the off-topic nature of his continued posting?
    >



    You used the wikipedia definition of Intenet troll to back up your premise
    about off-topic posts... that definition includes the idea that calling
    anyone a troll would also apply the definition to their bent towards posting
    off-topic posts...

    Meaning.. the application of the term troll ... would include the part of
    off-topic posts ... would also be highly subjective and could be taken just
    as equally by others as an on-topic post.
    --
    Jenn (from Oklahoma)
    http://pqlr.org/bbs/



  4. #94
    Leythos Guest

    Re: Avast Doesn't Block XP Defender malware (ave.exe)

    In article <hpl6ef$2n1$1@news.eternal-september.org>,
    me@nowhere.whocareswhatthisemailisanyway says...
    > You used the wikipedia definition of Intenet troll to back up your premise
    > about off-topic posts... that definition includes the idea that calling
    > anyone a troll would also apply the definition to their bent towards posting
    > off-topic posts...
    >
    > Meaning.. the application of the term troll ... would include the part of
    > off-topic posts ... would also be highly subjective and could be taken just
    > as equally by others as an on-topic post.
    >


    To do as you suggest you would have to ignore the first parts that I
    posted, defining what is OFF-TOPIC based on the groups name/topic.

    Thanks for showing, based on your last line, that his posts follow the
    definition of "off-topic" as well as his own suggestion that chaos is
    permitted because he wants it and doesn't care about the standards or
    rules.

    --
    You can't trust your best friends, your five senses, only the little
    voice inside you that most civilians don't even hear -- Listen to that.
    Trust yourself.
    spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)

  5. #95
    Jenn Guest

    Re: Avast Doesn't Block XP Defender malware (ave.exe)

    "Leythos" <spam999free@rrohio.com> wrote in message
    news:MPG.2627ea48fde8edaf98a298@us.news.astraweb.c om...
    > In article <hpl6ef$2n1$1@news.eternal-september.org>,
    > me@nowhere.whocareswhatthisemailisanyway says...
    >> You used the wikipedia definition of Intenet troll to back up your
    >> premise
    >> about off-topic posts... that definition includes the idea that calling
    >> anyone a troll would also apply the definition to their bent towards
    >> posting
    >> off-topic posts...
    >>
    >> Meaning.. the application of the term troll ... would include the part of
    >> off-topic posts ... would also be highly subjective and could be taken
    >> just
    >> as equally by others as an on-topic post.
    >>

    >
    > To do as you suggest you would have to ignore the first parts that I
    > posted, defining what is OFF-TOPIC based on the groups name/topic.
    >
    > Thanks for showing, based on your last line, that his posts follow the
    > definition of "off-topic" as well as his own suggestion that chaos is
    > permitted because he wants it and doesn't care about the standards or
    > rules.
    >



    No.. by using the wikipedia definition, you open the door for discounting
    your premise because the definition is subjective.
    --
    Jenn (from Oklahoma)
    http://pqlr.org/bbs/



  6. #96
    Leythos Guest

    Re: Avast Doesn't Block XP Defender malware (ave.exe)

    In article <hpl8jl$a6i$1@news.eternal-september.org>,
    me@nowhere.whocareswhatthisemailisanyway says...
    >
    > "Leythos" <spam999free@rrohio.com> wrote in message
    > news:MPG.2627ea48fde8edaf98a298@us.news.astraweb.c om...
    > > In article <hpl6ef$2n1$1@news.eternal-september.org>,
    > > me@nowhere.whocareswhatthisemailisanyway says...
    > >> You used the wikipedia definition of Intenet troll to back up your
    > >> premise
    > >> about off-topic posts... that definition includes the idea that calling
    > >> anyone a troll would also apply the definition to their bent towards
    > >> posting
    > >> off-topic posts...
    > >>
    > >> Meaning.. the application of the term troll ... would include the part of
    > >> off-topic posts ... would also be highly subjective and could be taken
    > >> just
    > >> as equally by others as an on-topic post.
    > >>

    > >
    > > To do as you suggest you would have to ignore the first parts that I
    > > posted, defining what is OFF-TOPIC based on the groups name/topic.
    > >
    > > Thanks for showing, based on your last line, that his posts follow the
    > > definition of "off-topic" as well as his own suggestion that chaos is
    > > permitted because he wants it and doesn't care about the standards or
    > > rules.
    > >

    >
    >
    > No.. by using the wikipedia definition, you open the door for discounting
    > your premise because the definition is subjective.


    Hardly, you discounted the definitions of "Off-Topic" because you don't
    like the definition of "Troll", the intent of "Troll" was to show that
    trolls often post off-topic, but you can't dismiss that the continued
    posts he's made are off-topic.

    Off-Topic is not subjective.

    --
    You can't trust your best friends, your five senses, only the little
    voice inside you that most civilians don't even hear -- Listen to that.
    Trust yourself.
    spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)

  7. #97
    Jenn Guest

    Re: Avast Doesn't Block XP Defender malware (ave.exe)

    "Leythos" <spam999free@rrohio.com> wrote in message
    news:MPG.2627f07176f2fb6298a299@us.news.astraweb.c om...
    > In article <hpl8jl$a6i$1@news.eternal-september.org>,
    > me@nowhere.whocareswhatthisemailisanyway says...
    >>
    >> "Leythos" <spam999free@rrohio.com> wrote in message
    >> news:MPG.2627ea48fde8edaf98a298@us.news.astraweb.c om...
    >> > In article <hpl6ef$2n1$1@news.eternal-september.org>,
    >> > me@nowhere.whocareswhatthisemailisanyway says...
    >> >> You used the wikipedia definition of Intenet troll to back up your
    >> >> premise
    >> >> about off-topic posts... that definition includes the idea that
    >> >> calling
    >> >> anyone a troll would also apply the definition to their bent towards
    >> >> posting
    >> >> off-topic posts...
    >> >>
    >> >> Meaning.. the application of the term troll ... would include the part
    >> >> of
    >> >> off-topic posts ... would also be highly subjective and could be taken
    >> >> just
    >> >> as equally by others as an on-topic post.
    >> >>
    >> >
    >> > To do as you suggest you would have to ignore the first parts that I
    >> > posted, defining what is OFF-TOPIC based on the groups name/topic.
    >> >
    >> > Thanks for showing, based on your last line, that his posts follow the
    >> > definition of "off-topic" as well as his own suggestion that chaos is
    >> > permitted because he wants it and doesn't care about the standards or
    >> > rules.



    >> No.. by using the wikipedia definition, you open the door for discounting
    >> your premise because the definition is subjective.



    > Hardly, you discounted the definitions of "Off-Topic" because you don't
    > like the definition of "Troll", the intent of "Troll" was to show that
    > trolls often post off-topic, but you can't dismiss that the continued
    > posts he's made are off-topic.


    I discounted the definition of *Off-Topic* because you used the wikipedia
    definition of internet troll which includes that term within the definition
    of *internet Troll*. If you were to use a different source that does not
    have that addition *Usage* section that says the definition is *subjective*,
    then I would not have a premise to challenge you.

    > Off-Topic is not subjective.
    >


    Yes it is subjective... Have you ever does this:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Off_Topic
    It is a common courtesy to mark a new off-topic posting or email by
    beginning it with "OT"[citation needed] - for example in a forum discussing
    the Linux operating system someone might post: "OT: Wow, did you feel that
    earthquake?".

    If you don't, yet you claim to label others as posting off-topic material,
    wouldn't that make every post subjective that you consider to be off-topic
    since you also post off-topic? I've never seen anyone do this, yet, I've
    many many claims about off-topic material and added notations that people
    should begin new threads or take it elsewhere, yet, no one ever does.
    --
    Jenn (from Oklahoma)
    http://pqlr.org/bbs/



  8. #98
    Leythos Guest

    Re: Avast Doesn't Block XP Defender malware (ave.exe)

    In article <hpl9lo$dmh$1@news.eternal-september.org>,
    me@nowhere.whocareswhatthisemailisanyway says...
    >
    > "Leythos" <spam999free@rrohio.com> wrote in message
    > news:MPG.2627f07176f2fb6298a299@us.news.astraweb.c om...
    > > In article <hpl8jl$a6i$1@news.eternal-september.org>,
    > > me@nowhere.whocareswhatthisemailisanyway says...
    > >>
    > >> "Leythos" <spam999free@rrohio.com> wrote in message
    > >> news:MPG.2627ea48fde8edaf98a298@us.news.astraweb.c om...
    > >> > In article <hpl6ef$2n1$1@news.eternal-september.org>,
    > >> > me@nowhere.whocareswhatthisemailisanyway says...
    > >> >> You used the wikipedia definition of Intenet troll to back up your
    > >> >> premise
    > >> >> about off-topic posts... that definition includes the idea that
    > >> >> calling
    > >> >> anyone a troll would also apply the definition to their bent towards
    > >> >> posting
    > >> >> off-topic posts...
    > >> >>
    > >> >> Meaning.. the application of the term troll ... would include the part
    > >> >> of
    > >> >> off-topic posts ... would also be highly subjective and could be taken
    > >> >> just
    > >> >> as equally by others as an on-topic post.
    > >> >>
    > >> >
    > >> > To do as you suggest you would have to ignore the first parts that I
    > >> > posted, defining what is OFF-TOPIC based on the groups name/topic.
    > >> >
    > >> > Thanks for showing, based on your last line, that his posts follow the
    > >> > definition of "off-topic" as well as his own suggestion that chaos is
    > >> > permitted because he wants it and doesn't care about the standards or
    > >> > rules.

    >
    >
    > >> No.. by using the wikipedia definition, you open the door for discounting
    > >> your premise because the definition is subjective.

    >
    >
    > > Hardly, you discounted the definitions of "Off-Topic" because you don't
    > > like the definition of "Troll", the intent of "Troll" was to show that
    > > trolls often post off-topic, but you can't dismiss that the continued
    > > posts he's made are off-topic.

    >
    > I discounted the definition of *Off-Topic* because you used the wikipedia
    > definition of internet troll which includes that term within the definition
    > of *internet Troll*. If you were to use a different source that does not
    > have that addition *Usage* section that says the definition is *subjective*,
    > then I would not have a premise to challenge you.
    >
    > > Off-Topic is not subjective.
    > >

    >
    > Yes it is subjective...


    No, it's not subjective - if it's not about (in this group) ANTI-VIRUS
    then it's off-topic by clear definition.

    > Have you ever does this:
    > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Off_Topic
    > It is a common courtesy to mark a new off-topic posting or email by
    > beginning it with "OT"[citation needed] - for example in a forum discussing
    > the Linux operating system someone might post: "OT: Wow, did you feel that
    > earthquake?".


    Yep, I've made the OT notation in the subject, to let others know it was
    OT, but, in decades of Usenet use, I can count the number of off-topic
    threads I've started on my fingers.

    > If you don't, yet you claim to label others as posting off-topic
    > material,
    > wouldn't that make every post subjective that you consider to be off-topic
    > since you also post off-topic? I've never seen anyone do this, yet, I've
    > many many claims about off-topic material and added notations that people
    > should begin new threads or take it elsewhere, yet, no one ever does.


    Notice that this group is alt.comp.ANTI-VIRUS?

    So, to address your OT lesson - why have you not mentioned this to BD?
    He's been posting OT in this news group and many others, for many posts,
    but he's not marking them OT, not started a new thread with OT, not
    taking it somewhere else?


    --
    You can't trust your best friends, your five senses, only the little
    voice inside you that most civilians don't even hear -- Listen to that.
    Trust yourself.
    spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)

  9. #99
    ~BD~ Guest

    Re: Avast Doesn't Block XP Defender malware (ave.exe)

    I say, old bean, how about taking this off topic discussion to email?

    Be a good chap and follow Usenet protocol, eh? What!

    Thanks a bunch!

    --
    Dave - With a wink to Jenn!

  10. #100
    gufus Guest

    Re: Avast Doesn't Block XP Defender malware (ave.exe)

    Hello, David!

    You wrote on Wed, 7 Apr 2010 20:37:40 -0400:

    |
    |> Hahahaha.......
    |

    | It really isn't funny.
    | It is rather sad.
    | He probably had a good career going for him until the commuter van
    | accident where three people died and he was airlifted to the hospital.

    Like I said, NO HARM was intended, the www is a place of UNKNOWN.
    --
    With best regards, gufus. E-mail: stop.nospam.gbbsg@shaw.ca



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